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gk@rivervalley:
I know Ray has spoken on this before but I fail to understand completely.  In some instances he speaks of evil spirits as 'false doctrine' whereas in scripture evil spirits have indeed 'haunted' (for lack of better) and have possessed humans. What is an evil spirit?  Were they created (purposed) and exist to cause harm, aggravation and plunder to the human population, and, do you think that type of activity is prevalent today?  In Job's events it appears they(?) may can cause events leading to death.  Scripture states only God knows the day of death of a person but that doesn't necessarily exclude the use of external influence, perhaps an evil spirit, to aid in the death of a human.  Since all 'events under the sun' are purposed by God are they acting on the will of god?  If so, what possible 'good' could be the outcome of such entities and their activities?  Humans are created depraved in the heart and mind and as such we are, or can be, equally motivated to carry out evil.  So why the aid of evil spirits....demons....if so?  Are there differences in evil spirit -verses- demon?

Lot's of general specifics I suppose and I'm certain this is all elementary to you folk, but, I can gain as maybe others will also.

gk

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: gk@rivervalley on June 06, 2015, 09:40:48 AM ---I know Ray has spoken on this before but I fail to understand completely.  In some instances he speaks of evil spirits as 'false doctrine' whereas in scripture evil spirits have indeed 'haunted' (for lack of better) and have possessed humans. What is an evil spirit?  Were they created (purposed) and exist to cause harm, aggravation and plunder to the human population, and, do you think that type of activity is prevalent today?  In Job's events it appears they(?) may can cause events leading to death.  Scripture states only God knows the day of death of a person but that doesn't necessarily exclude the use of external influence, perhaps an evil spirit, to aid in the death of a human.  Since all 'events under the sun' are purposed by God are they acting on the will of god?  If so, what possible 'good' could be the outcome of such entities and their activities?  Humans are created depraved in the heart and mind and as such we are, or can be, equally motivated to carry out evil.  So why the aid of evil spirits....demons....if so?  Are there differences in evil spirit -verses- demon?

Lot's of general specifics I suppose and I'm certain this is all elementary to you folk, but, I can gain as maybe others will also.

gk

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Hi Gk,

All the evil that exists in the world was created by God (Isaiah 45:7).

God created Satan to destroy (Isaiah 54:16, 1 Cor 5:5). He is a murderer from the very beginning (John 8:44).

God gave satan temporary power to do his evil and is thus termed the 'god of this world' (2 Cor 4:4, Matt. 4:8-9).

God puts a limit on evil by 'framing' it (Jeremiah 18:11).

Hence evil is never out of God's control or getting out of hand in His plan (Eph 1:11, see the story of Job also).

God Himself does not do evil though (Job 34:10, Deut 32:4).

All the evil in this creation is being used as an experience to humble humanity (Ecc. 1:13). It's a necessary part of a greater process for transforming all mankind into the image of Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:29).

Scriptures don't always show satan's precense in the dispatching or doing of evil but you can bet he is there. For example the "evil spirit FROM the Lord" (1 Sam 16:14-16, 19). I have no doubt satan was there causing these spirits to come forth and do the things they said they would do. Yet who created satan? God! So God is responsbility and satan is accountable. God created evil but God doesn't do evil.

We also see another time where lying spirits were sent into the mouth of prophets by the Lord to be the downfall of the king of isreal. I gaurentee you again that satan was there just like when he came before God to destroy job.

1Ki 22:20  And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1Ki 22:21  And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1Ki 22:22  And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1Ki 22:23  Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Most importantly you have to understand that evil is NOT sin. It has no moral bias. When carnal men use evil then it becomes sin. However God created evil for the purpose of saving humanity (1 Cor 5:5). God turns evil to good at appointed times (Gen. 50:20).

Evil spirits certainly exist today and are doing exactly what they have been doing for so many thousands of years. All you have to do is turn on your T.V. to see that Satan is alive and well. The god of this world is running things just as He has for a long time now. As ray said, Man is either in war, getting out of war, or preparing for war. In the end though, God is responsible for everything and certainly takes that responsbility upon himself by dying for the sins of the world and by reconciling every last thing to Himself.

This is how I understand it and God willing it will help you better understand the Sovereignty of God and the existance of evil.

God bless,
Alex

lilitalienboi16:
One other thing I will add is that God has a plan and He has a will. Sometimes His plan for accomplishing that Will can seem almost like contradictions. Just think about pharoe in Egypt and how God told pharoe to let His people go but then hardened pharoe's heart so that he would not. Paul explains this as God's right in being The Potter and we the clay. He has the ability to make vessels of honor and dishonor along the way towards accomplishing His will. Another example is that God will's for all humanity to be saved but His plan right now is that the vast majority of humanity doesn't believe in Him.

Isaiah 55:8-11
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God's plan is perfect though and He is perfect. So God won't fail, His word won't return to Him void. He will accomplish all His desires in the end.

God bless,
Alex

rick:

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Satan or any other evil spirits or demons, however one coins them do not have free will anymore than we do.

Kat:


--- Quote from: gk@rivervalley on June 06, 2015, 09:40:48 AM --- Since all 'events under the sun' are purposed by God are they acting on the will of god?  If so, what possible 'good' could be the outcome of such entities and their activities?  Humans are created depraved in the heart and mind and as such we are, or can be, equally motivated to carry out evil.  So why the aid of evil spirits....demons....if so?  Are there differences in evil spirit -verses- demon?
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Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it. (CLV)

Well it seems that this world is intended to have a vast array of evil and wickedness, yes from humans carrying out their share, but there is the whole other spiritual dominion. I believe there are spirit being that interact with human in a multitude of ways, demons (also known as devil's angels, working wickedness are mentioned many times in Scripture.

Mat 25:41  "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

That the elect will judge 'angels' makes me wonder if that is referring to the devil's angels? But I cannot even begin to imagine what all is going on in that dominion and what will be worked out in that enormous aspect of God's creation.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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