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Evil Spirits
Dave in Tenn:
I've "seen" some things, but whether what I "saw" was a glimpse into another realm, or a presence in this one, or a vision, or an evil imagination, or an hallucination, I can't say.
But I've no doubt that Ray was right in saying that "demons" are false doctrines. The word itself means "little teachings". And these I HAVE seen, felt, experienced, and been affected by, possessed by, and placed in bondage to. "False Doctrines" are not simply boxes to be ticked or avoided when choosing our "doctrinal positions". But that's to be lived, and can't really be explained very well.
From Thayers:
G1142
δαίμων
daimōn
Thayer Definition:
1) a god, a goddess
1a) an inferior deity, whether good or bad
2) in the NT, an evil spirit
Part of Speech: noun masculine or feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from daio (to distribute fortunes)
From Strongs:
δαίμων
daimōn
dah'ee-mown
From δαίω daiō (to distribute fortunes); a demon or super natural spirit (of a bad nature): - devil.
BOTH of those 'definitions' make theological assumptions, imo. The words used by the writers under the inspiration of God were precise and meaningful...used by translators and preachers, not always so-much so.
It's interesting to note that there are only three times in the NT when a "daimon" (usually translated in the KJV as "devil" is used for what might be considered a single 'being'. The rest of the times that the KJV mentions 'devils', the word used is a compound word:
δαιμονίζομαι
daimonizomai
which has to do completely with the 'effect' of the 'devil'--to be "under the influence of" "possessed by" or similar.
"Spirits" in the KJV Greek usually comes from the Greek πνεῦμα pneuma. So are "evil spirits" "demons"? I can tell you the word used is not the same, and that's all I can tell you.
Dave in Tenn:
One other small correction that may have large impact. We are neither created nor born 'depraved' in heart and mind. We are created and born 'weak'. If we are ever 'depraved', it came later. And no thought ever thought by man is more 'depraved' then that God will torture any of His creatures/sons and daughters for all eternity.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on June 06, 2015, 09:23:56 PM ---I've "seen" some things, but whether what I "saw" was a glimpse into another realm, or a presence in this one, or a vision, or an evil imagination, or an hallucination, I can't say.
But I've no doubt that Ray was right in saying that "demons" are false doctrines. The word itself means "little teachings". And these I HAVE seen, felt, experienced, and been affected by, possessed by, and placed in bondage to. "False Doctrines" are not simply boxes to be ticked or avoided when choosing our "doctrinal positions". But that's to be lived, and can't really be explained very well.
From Thayers:
G1142
δαίμων
daimōn
Thayer Definition:
1) a god, a goddess
1a) an inferior deity, whether good or bad
2) in the NT, an evil spirit
Part of Speech: noun masculine or feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from daio (to distribute fortunes)
From Strongs:
δαίμων
daimōn
dah'ee-mown
From δαίω daiō (to distribute fortunes); a demon or super natural spirit (of a bad nature): - devil.
BOTH of those 'definitions' make theological assumptions, imo. The words used by the writers under the inspiration of God were precise and meaningful...used by translators and preachers, not always so-much so.
It's interesting to note that there are only three times in the NT when a "daimon" (usually translated in the KJV as "devil" is used for what might be considered a single 'being'. The rest of the times that the KJV mentions 'devils', the word used is a compound word:
δαιμονίζομαι
daimonizomai
which has to do completely with the 'effect' of the 'devil'--to be "under the influence of" "possessed by" or similar.
"Spirits" in the KJV Greek usually comes from the Greek πνεῦμα pneuma. So are "evil spirits" "demons"? I can tell you the word used is not the same, and that's all I can tell you.
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That's interesting. Demons (false doctrines) can be defined "to distribute fortunes."
FALSE (lying) DOCTRINES:
Satan in the Garden
4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave [distributed] some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
DISTRIBUTE (false) FORTUNES...
11"And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over [the Queen/Babylon who lived sensuously to glorify herself], because no one buys their cargoes any more--
12 cargoes of gold and silver and precious stones and pearls and fine linen and purple and silk and scarlet, and every kind of citron wood and every article of ivory and every article made from very costly wood and bronze and iron and marble,…
DISTRIBUTE (counterfeit) FORTUNES
The Temptation of Jesus
8 Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;
9 and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me."
'
DISTRIBUTE (counterfeit) FORTUNES
and asked, "How much will you pay me to betray Jesus to you?" And they gave him thirty pieces of silver.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: gk@rivervalley on June 06, 2015, 09:40:48 AM ---I know Ray has spoken on this before but I fail to understand completely. In some instances he speaks of evil spirits as 'false doctrine' whereas in scripture evil spirits have indeed 'haunted' (for lack of better) and have possessed humans. What is an evil spirit? Were they created (purposed) and exist to cause harm, aggravation and plunder to the human population, and, do you think that type of activity is prevalent today? In Job's events it appears they(?) may can cause events leading to death. Scripture states only God knows the day of death of a person but that doesn't necessarily exclude the use of external influence, perhaps an evil spirit, to aid in the death of a human. Since all 'events under the sun' are purposed by God are they acting on the will of god? If so, what possible 'good' could be the outcome of such entities and their activities? Humans are created depraved in the heart and mind and as such we are, or can be, equally motivated to carry out evil. So why the aid of evil spirits....demons....if so? Are there differences in evil spirit -verses- demon?
Lot's of general specifics I suppose and I'm certain this is all elementary to you folk, but, I can gain as maybe others will also.
gk
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An evil Spirit is unseen... I believe its main function is to oppose or exult itself above God by manipulating our thoughts or our understanding (they dwell/operate in high places)heavenly places.To me that represents our understanding impacting our minds or thoughts .They are false spirits and they are liers... their "father" is the devil. Our Father is God
I am not sure that a demon and an evil spirit are one and the same
Mike Gagne:
Dave I agree, I seen somethings myself, what I seen was darkness all around and there was things fluttering around in that darkness, what I seen was right there with me, whether in a vision or in another realm like you said but I seen it. It is there, it is all around us!
Psa 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.
Job 10:21-22 (KJV)
21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Psalms 23:4 (KJV)
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
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