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Mike Gagne:
--- Quote from: Gina on June 09, 2015, 10:04:42 AM ---I see what Michael G.'s saying and I agree with him. He has a choice. And he understands that the choice is his to make. He also understands that God is the cause behind any right choice, and he (Michael) is accountable for any wrong choice he makes, but he is still the one doing the choosing.
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Thats exactly what I am saying. Thanks Gina For seeing that in what I wrote.
Kat no where did I say I had free will. read it again ( All day long I decide when circumstances come upon me from the Lord to make the decision to use His truths or not. And when I do I exercise them and they grow in me and become stronger in me and it produces a overcomer in me, all by the work of Jesus! ) His work causes me to make the wrong choice and when I make the wrong choice He holds me accountable and after so many wrong choices, by holding me accountable he causes me to make the right choice and thats how I become a overcomer. By His work. I work out my salvation with fear and trembling. Why? Because it is God who WORKS in me both to WILL and DO of His good pleasure!
In Christ
Gina:
--- Quote from: Michael G on June 09, 2015, 12:09:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on June 09, 2015, 10:04:42 AM ---I see what Michael G.'s saying and I agree with him. He has a choice. And he understands that the choice is his to make. He also understands that God is the cause behind any right choice, and he (Michael) is accountable for any wrong choice he makes, but he is still the one doing the choosing.
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Thats exactly what I am saying. Thanks Gina For seeing that in what I wrote.
Kat no where did I say I had free will. read it again ( All day long I decide when circumstances come upon me from the Lord to make the decision to use His truths or not. And when I do I exercise them and they grow in me and become stronger in me and it produces a overcomer in me, all by the work of Jesus! ) His work causes me to make the wrong choice and when I make the wrong choice He holds me accountable and after so many wrong choices, by holding me accountable he causes me to make the right choice and thats how I become a overcomer. By His work. I work out my salvation with fear and trembling. Why? Because it is God who WORKS in me both to WILL and DO of His good pleasure!
In Christ
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You're welcome, Michael. Yeah, some people are so confused over what it means to have God working in them to will and to act, they make it sound like they aren't "doing" the good works that God prepared for them beforehand.
LOL, maybe they aren't. :D
You seem very glad to have God's power working in you to act accordingly, and I can totally see how you're giving God all the credit for whatever good works you do. Remember too that God is working in you to will and to act according to the good works that he prepared beforehand that you may walk in them.
God is not working in anyone to will to do wrong. Every GOOD and perfect gift comes down from the Father of all lights. ...
God has other means to show up the weakness of our flesh.
He doesn't work in us to WILL to SIN. But He works in us to will and to do His GOOD pleasure.
Doing the wrong things is not good, so you can be certain God is not working in you to do wrong.
Maybe that's what you meant and I just misunderstood.
Keep up the good work. :)
Kat:
Hi Michael, good that you have the no free will thing down pat. But it's easy to have problems with the nuances of these things, if bringing the basic up for review was not for your benefit than maybe it can help somebody else.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
gk@rivervalley:
"I have the power to overcome"--MICHAEL G
Sounds like you're sitting in the captains chair. But........you do not 'have the power to overcome'........not by YOUR power. At least it doesn't appear to be what Ray has taught and I'll certainly concede the argument if someone can show me where Ray did, or scripture....one and the same.
I'm not speaking of 'choice'. We agree on that point, we choose all day long. But even with that we will make the choice that has been designed for us to make.
Perhaps this is the part I stated that you don't agree: "I don't believe we can decide, on our own"--GK
"All day long I decide ...........to make the decision to use His truths or not.....--MICHAEL G
You make a 'choice', the outcome has been determined long before.
"He also understands that God is the cause behind any ........ choice"---GINA
Maybe.
The thrust point was of 'faith'. Not of choice. I remain at this point that 'faith' is given.....not chosen. We may 'overcome' and be increased with faith, but that too is by design. Not by anything of our own accomplishment.
Gina:
--- Quote from: gk@rivervalley on June 09, 2015, 02:12:33 PM ---
"I have the power to overcome"--MICHAEL G
Sounds like you're sitting in the captains chair. But........you do not 'have the power to overcome'........not by YOUR power. At least it doesn't appear to be what Ray has taught and I'll certainly concede the argument if someone can show me where Ray did, or scripture....one and the same.
I'm not speaking of 'choice'. We agree on that point, we choose all day long. But even with that we will make the choice that has been designed for us to make.
Perhaps this is the part I stated that you don't agree: "I don't believe we can decide, on our own"--GK
"All day long I decide ...........to make the decision to use His truths or not.....--MICHAEL G
You make a 'choice', the outcome has been determined long before.
"He also understands that God is the cause behind any ........ choice"---GINA
Maybe.
The thrust point was of 'faith'. Not of choice. I remain at this point that 'faith' is given.....not chosen. We may 'overcome' and be increased with faith, but that too is by design. Not by anything of our own accomplishment.
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gk,
You're jealous. So were the Pharisees.
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