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John from Kentucky:
Jesus is God.

God is sovereign.

Nothing can force God to do anything that He does not want to do.

Joel:
The way I see it Jesus did the things he did out of LOVE, he is a giver, he GAVE his life.
Jesus told Joseph, and Mary that he must be about his FATHERS business.
He was busy doing good, no matter if it was in joy, or in intense pain and suffering.

Psalms 40:6-Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7-Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8-I DELIGHT to do thy will, O my GOD: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Hebrews 10:5-Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6-In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast no pleasure.
7-Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O GOD.

Joel

Ian 155:

--- Quote from: Kat on June 26, 2015, 08:25:16 AM ---
Ian, you do not understand the concept of "I do nothing of Myself" (John 8:28). Christ is under the Father's authority now and always has been and will be. The Father is the power that works through Jesus Christ... "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

John 12:49  For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

John 14:10  Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

What the Father required of Christ, was necessary that 'God' experience what we have to. You used the Isaiah 53 reference that the Concordant states "crushed" Him, as in wrath... that is the totally wrong concept, but He certainly was "bruised" for us in crucifixion.

The struggle Jesus went through in the garden to "let this cup pass" was certainly not in defiance of the Father's will upon Him, but it showed He was fully human and cringed at what was about to happen to Him and turned to the only One that could help Him get through it all.

John 10:17  "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
v. 18  No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

You conveniently left these verses out of your list. Can you not believe Jesus when He said "no one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself"? As Ray had taught that means He knew what He would have to face and He volunteered to do it and to say He was forced is opposite, a contradiction, an oxymoron, it can't be both ways.

mercy, peace and love
Kat


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please check my post again I did not leave John 10 out ...

I have a intimate understanding of the "Concept"

are you suggesting Christ had other options ?

"His will" was overpowered by Love (God)


If I am going thru something that causes my sweat to appear as blood and I beg the Father to please take this scenario away -- yet not my will but thy will be done ??? 

What was My will ??


i maintain That Jesus was Forced,Compelled,Empowered... to do the fathers will

so do we

there REALLY is no choice

"This precept I [too] got from My Father"

Dave in Tenn:
Although I am not on this earth to teach English, "forced, empowered, and compelled" are not synonyms. 

Did Jesus DO the will of the Father or not?  If He did, then that WAS His will.  For Him to say NOT MY WILL doesn't mean His will is or was contrary to the Father's will.  Every thing He did and said was according to what was given to Him to do and say.  "Not my will, but Thine" is reiterating this fact He made abundantly clear throughout His ministry as a man.

Are you suggesting that Jesus did NOT love?  That He had to be coerced or forced to lay down His life in love? 

Ray taught in the post I linked to that Jesus VOLUNTEERED.  Volunteering to do the Good Work is not easy.  But Jesus passed His test and received the crown of Life.

I don't know where you are getting your 'doctrine' from, or whether you are making it up.  But I will reiterate that there is 'teaching' floating around that lowers Jesus from the obedient Son to a sinner that needed correction Himself.  It's not going to make a stand here.   

 

   

Nelson Boils:
Ian

2 Cor 9:7-Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart,not grudgingly or under COMPULSION,for God loves a cheerful giver.

Are you saying Jesus gave His life under compulsion?

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