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Is Jesus the Eternal Lord of All?
zarlareignofthefairies:
There's a certain issue that's been puzzling me. Everyday I go into a field behind my house and worship and pray and confess scriptures but while I'm trying to focus this question has been nagging at me for several days and it's this, will Jesus always be Lord over all of God's creation? Ray did a wonderful job on his paper concerning the Trinity. It tormented me at first to find out that Jesus is a man and not the Supreme Deity and I have peace about it now but it left me confused. When Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God the Father will He still be our Master forever? Was Ray saying that someday we will be on the same level as Jesus? Also could someone further explain what it means for God to be " All in All '' ?
Thanks,
Jonathan :-\
Kat:
Hi Jonathan,
This is from 'How did Jesus Do "The Father's Will"' transcript and it should help you with what will happen after God is "all in all." Also there is much in that transcript about who Jesus Christ is... just because He is not completely the Father, to me does not diminish who/what He is, as He is indeed the Almighty God of this Creation, the Father and Son are one.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3633.0 ---
But God never changes, because He's already perfect, that’s our God. But God’s kingdom does change, but always in an upward, onward, forward, and larger proportion.
Isa. 9:7, Of the increase of His government [empire, kingdom, Lordship, dominion], and peace [prosperity; friendly, health, safety, happiness, welfare, rest, peace, ect.-Strong’s Hebrew dictionary] …there shall BE NO END…
We can’t really wrap our minds around the spiritual things of God, with a carnal brain. So you have to do the best you can with what God gave us, until He increases our mental capacity or spiritual capacity or whatever. We are limited.
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Some people get confused and think Christ is going to rule for ever and ever. But it doesn’t say that, at all. You know His rule comes to an end in 1 Cor. 16:24.
Luke 1:33 And He shall reign over the house of Jacob forever (eons), and of His kingdom there shall BE NO END.
Oh, He’s going to rule endlessly. No, no, no. He’s going to rule for the eons. Of His KINGDOM, not Christ as the king, but of the kingdom, that He did rule over, of that “kingdom there shall be no end.”
1Cor 15:24 “then is the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when He makes to cease all rule and all authority and power.“
v. 25 for it is right for Him to reign until He has put all the enemies under His feet.
v. 26 The last enemy made to cease is death.
v. 27 For He put all things under His feet. But when He says that all things have been put under His feet, it is plain that it accepts Him who has put all things under Him.
v. 28 But when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subject to Him who has subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all things in all.
He gives up this kingdom to God, He was the King of this kingdom and it comes a time when He gives it up to God, even the Father, when He shall have put down all rule, all authority, and all power and He must rule till (means until) He has put all enemies under His feet. He no longer rules because He doesn’t require that type of rulership.
That Christ rules with a rod of iron, the Kingdom that is established. That is the subduing of all humanity, all enemies, all angels in heaven, all subdued and coming under His authority and government. All is in peace now, no enemies, He then turns over the kingdom to His Father. He’s no longer the King, the Father becomes the Patriarch of the family of God. And the kingdom just keeps growing and going and growing and going and like it said in Isaiah, it has no end.
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Now there is no word in the Hebrew or Greek in the Bible that means forever, eternity, forever more, for ever and ever, there is no such word. So whenever endless time is meant you have to use more than one word. About the only phrase that is ever used to show that something doesn’t ever come to an end, is just to say it, ‘it never comes to an end.’
There is no word eternity in the Bible, but it has the same meaning when it says, there shall be no end.
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That spiritual Rock that they followed out of Egypt, through the wilderness for 40 years. That was Christ. But didn’t Moses see God?
Nobody has seen God (John 1:18; John 5: 37; 1 John 4:12). Oh he saw somebody, he saw Christ, in His glorified state. Jesus Christ is the GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus Christ WAS God and Jesus Christ IS God. And yes, Jesus always had and still has a God (Eph 1:17).
But the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, has NO God. It was Jesus Christ (Elohim - US) who created the heavens and the earth and humanity, “…in OUR image.”
In Rev. 19:16 it says Christ had, “on His thigh He has a name written,” the Word of God. There’s no getting around it, the Logos, the Word is Jesus Christ. The creator of heaven and earth is Jesus Christ. The creator of the human race in Jesus Christ. No man has ever seen God, only Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ when He acts on behalf of God, with the power of God, The knowledge of God, wisdom of God, and the love of God, with the strength of God and the character of God, IT IS GOD. But He is not the Father. He came to reveal the Father.
John 7:29 But I (Jesus Christ) know Him (the Father), for I am from Him, and He has sent Me.
Now you know the one that sends someone is greater than the one who was sent.
John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands,
and that He had come from God and went to God,
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Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament. He is the reason Elohim is plural, “and God said let US,” so the Father is doing the creating, but it is done through His Son, Jesus Christ, His first born.
Now for scriptural proof, in Heb. 1:8 it says "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eons ...” I know the Jehovah Witness and I’ve read all their stupid ways of trying to get around that verse, and it just won’t smoke. It means what it says, God addresses Jesus Christ as “Thy throne, O God,” and the O is in there, it’s in the Greek and it’s back in the Hebrew where this verse is quoted from as well.
Only God is to be worshipped, the leper came and worshipped Him (Matt. 8:2), the chief, worships Him (Mat. 9:18), and the woman came and worships Him (Matt 15:25).
Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega … the Almighty.
That’s Christ - God. “And the Word was God,” (John 1:1)
Thomas said, when he felt the holes in Christ’s body,"My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). Christ did not correct Him.
Titus 2:13-14 The Great God and Savior Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us…
So He is God, but He is not His own Father, okay. Jesus Christ came to reveal the Father, Luke 10:22; John 6:46;
Matt 11:27, Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son will reveal Him.
Nobody knew anything about God the Father, until Jesus Christ revealed Him. The only God that anybody knew was Jesus Christ.
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Gal 1:4 who gave Himself for our sins TO DELIVER US from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
We will be delivered into the family of God, the firstfruits, because we are a type of firstfruit. “In the beginning (firstfruit) God Created the heaven and the earth.”(Gen 1:1)
He is the Firstfruit of those who slept, He’s the first of everything, that His name may be first preeminent above any and every and all, because He is the Creator. He emptied Himself, became the Savior of the world. He will forever be the preeminent One, in the whole universe.
JESUS: The Personification of God’s Will due to Humility
Because humility goes hand in hand with qualifying for the kingdom of God, doing the will of God, and being in the state of mind that understands spiritual things. If your not humble then it won’t work.
A major point is Christ always did the Father’s will, with humility. You have to understand Christ knew who He was, He knew He was the only begotten Son of God. He knew He was the spoken Word of God, the Logos, the Firstfruit, the Creator, the God of the Old Testament, He knew that.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
repottinger:
Thank you for the great question, Jonathan, and for the fantastic, succinct-yet-informative passage by Ray, Kat!
Yours in Christ,
Randy
Kat:
--- Quote from: zarlareignofthefairies on June 23, 2015, 11:09:33 PM ---When Jesus delivers up the kingdom to God the Father will He still be our Master forever? Was Ray saying that someday we will be on the same level as Jesus?
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I don't think this point was really addressed in the other post, so I just wanted to add this from the trinity paper.
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html -----------------------
Let it be known: NONE of these Scriptures take away from the glories of God’s grandest achievements in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. His name is now and will forever be ABOVE ALL ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE! AMEN!
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It is true that some day all in the human race will become sons/daughters of God, so yes equal in that aspect. But I don't think you can say we will be on the same "level" as in rank or position as Christ... He is and always will be above all else in the creation.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
zarlareignofthefairies:
Hello all
Thanks Kat and Randy for the answers and kind words. I've been really busy Kat so I'm only just now able to start reading the links you gave me but just in case these questions aren't answered I wanted to ask two more. What did Jesus mean when He said '' before Abraham was I AM '' ? That seems to signify that Jesus was saying that He always existed from eternity past. Since Jesus came out of the Father what did He mean when He said '' I AM '' ? Also somewhere in Ray's papers ( I can't remember which one) he said this concerning man's ultimate destiny '' I don't know how I can make it any plainer 1 Corinthians 15:28 ' And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him that God may be ALL IN ALL ''. What does that mean '' all in all '' ? Is it saying that God will be everyone, like what Jesus said when He quoted Psalm 82:6 saying ''you are gods'' or that '' all will be God'' but just not on the same level as God and certainly not as great as Him or is it simply saying that God will be everything to everyone? Forgive me Kat if you already answered that in the link. I've been so busy I'm only just now able to come back here and start on it.
Now I can gladly say all blessings and praises to Jesus, forever Lord of all
Thanks, Jonathan
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