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repottinger:
Hello all,
I thought that I might share a really excellent insight that I found on another site while searching the web for verses dealing with the salvation of all a few months ago. It’s in regard to Colossians 1:15-20 (here from the AKJV):

15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 and he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

The authors point out that these verses “are constructed in such a way that they leave absolutely no room for any doubt whatsoever that the word all can only mean all, without any exceptions,” and that the “Apostle Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, repeats the word all seven times before coming to the key verse, verse 20, which says that God will reconcile all things to Himself through Jesus Christ.” I never knew that before, and I thought that it was such an amazing and beautiful proof of universal reconciliation!
I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me if Ray ever addressed this aspect of these verses, and I would welcome any comments or thoughts that anyone might have on this.
Your brother in Christ,
Randy

Rene:

--- Quote from: repottinger on June 25, 2015, 02:39:14 PM ---
I was wondering if anyone knows if Ray ever addressed this aspect of these verses, and I would welcome any comments or thoughts that anyone might have on this.


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Hi Randy,

Ray did a bible study entitled "Does All Mean All?" and touched on these verses.  Here is the link to the bible study, if you have not listened to it, and an except from the transcript:

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5605.0.html

"Who would think that this proves that Christ Himself would be subject unto the Father, “that God may be all in all.” How does that prove all human are going to be saved. We have the same word ‘all’ that's the word ‘pas.’ Here’s why, you can’t say that the first ‘all’ means absolutely all, but the next ‘all,’ these right together, means something totally different, you can’t do that. God does not speak in such convoluted deceitful ways in His word, if you say the second ‘all,’ that’s all humanity doesn’t mean all. Then you have to also conclude that when God says, “that He may be all,” that God Himself is not all. Who would suggest that God is not all, that He is lacking, He’s not all that He wants to be or whatever, only partly. It’s nonsense. Well whatever the all is, meaning that God is complete and that’s what it’s talking about, completeness, being made whole. Like it says in Colossians, “we are made perfect in Christ” complete, we are complete in Him, mature, whole. Whatever God is, is what He will be in. That God may be all, that’s what He is, that’s not us now, God will be all. Well if God is all and He is all, being all, be all, it’s the same thing He’s going to be in us. It can’t be just in part, you can’t say God will be all in part of humanity, you can’t say that. So even a simple verse like that, “God… all in all” absolutely proves all humanity is included."

Nelson Boils:
I read in one email from Ray.He was replying to a detractor and he(ray) used this verse as a reference to show that Jesus will save the Devil-I never saw that in this verse before,I was just reading over the words.Amazing!!

If you want to be called the biggest heretic,tell christians"Jesus is going to save Satan."They will laugh at you even if you show them the verse right in their bibles-Unbelievable!!Oh well,we can't be too hard on them,we were also once there!

repottinger:
Thank you very much, Rene; I know that I had read over that study before, but I didn't realize that it referred to the Colossians passage, and I'll be sure to read it again more carefully.
Thanks again so much.
Randy

repottinger:
Thanks a lot for the comments, Nelson; I definitely know what you mean about having "been there." If it wasn't for my having read writers like Ray on the subject, I certainly can't imagine my ever possibly figuring out the truth of the salvation of all by myself!
Randy

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