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Dave in Tenn:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 27, 2015, 09:54:44 AM ---Ray talks about marriage in this audio: https://youtu.be/TrXyHN00q0Q

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A lot of those questions are answered here, Neo.

Ian 155:

--- Quote from: Neo on June 27, 2015, 09:39:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 26, 2015, 10:53:39 PM ---

No Neo, we do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State.

The Scriptures teach us to submit ourselves to all lawful government and rule.  To pay our taxes to the government.  Not to speak evil of rulers.  To obey those who are over us.

However, when there is a conflict between man's rule and God's, we peacefully follow God's ways, even if we are persecuted and suffer for those beliefs.

God's Kingdom is not of this world.  We follow Jesus.

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Well, John, I realize that "WE do not believe the Scripture teach us to give undiluted allegiance to the State".  But unfortunately the majority sitting in the pews most certainly do. Who knows, perhaps some here do also. 

But it is interesting that you said WE (per Christ's commands?) submit ourselves to "all lawful government and rule." What is "lawful government"? Care to enlighten?

And "to pay our taxes to the government."   Chapter and verse there? (Not saying I'm advocating not paying taxes, but where are Christ's followers commanded to do that?)

And also, "Not to speak evil of rulers.  To obey those who are over us."  Whatever does it mean to "speak evil"?...And who, exactly, are these "rulers" that we should obey? 

Just honestly asking...wondering if you can shed some light on a truly muddled concept.

Meanwhile, many still believe that the state defines marriage, not God.  For them, (if they are truly hearers and doers of the Word),  in light of the High Priests' decree, they must be quite conflicted right now...all I was saying.

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Isaiah 6v9, interestingly "Government" Greek word is translated "reign" that is (in time)

I interpret the scripture as "In time", all will do as He done, there will be no variation in His example.

Under Herod,or under Pharaoh or under Roman rule we live as he enables us.

Paul got a few "claps" (ZA slang for slap) 

For it is written: Thou shalt not speak evil of the prince of thy people. acts 23:5 and Ex 2:28 ...possibly referring to those under Satan's power ?

ERV

Mat 17:24  Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, "Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?"

Mat 17:25  Peter answered, "Yes, he does." Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak, Jesus said to him, "The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king's children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?"
 
Mat 17:26  Peter answered, "The other people pay the taxes." Jesus said, "Then the children of the king don't have to pay taxes.

then, keeping principle of Love we get ...

Mat 17:27  But we don't want to upset these tax collectors. So do this ..


Regarding the "Gay" lifestyle these type are, lets not say forced  ;D lets say,
 Act 1 v 28 "gently" given over to a disqualified mind, to do that which is not befitting,

If one has a disqualified mind and God has done this... its non of our business  ?

To me these things must be as they are in accordance with His will, for now or until the gift of a renewed mind is given.

I don't do Gay, but my thoughts toward them have changed (they don't know what they do, whilst in "disqualified" mode)

Therefore do not speak evil of "them" or it would appear, we who do this, also have a disqualified mind

Rom 1 vs 29,30,31,32

AwesomeSavior:
Keep your eyes on Greece, and what is happening over there. They are a sign of what is to come upon the world. Here are the facts: 1) Record debt in the majority of nations 2) Record money printing (Quantitative Easing, as it is called) by the world's Central Banks. The Federal Reserve is our Central Bank. 3) Zero percent interest rates for almost 7 years, and last but certainly not least… (drum roll please)… 4) Over half a quadrillion dollars in derivatives bets exposure around the world. The time is short.

rick:

--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on June 28, 2015, 08:29:12 AM ---Keep your eyes on Greece, and what is happening over there. They are a sign of what is to come upon the world

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I remember reading a scripture but cannot find it however it said ( a quart of barley for a days wages )

Anyways, my point is I just got back from the super market and had spent $ 71.00 and received so little for the money. I had purchased three packs of bacon two packs of hamburger one dozen eggs and a few other items, not much.

Ray said that 911 was a significant date in history , I’m seeing the implication of that statement.   
I know when Christ comes back He will be toppling the nations, it seems to be every nation on earth is in distress.

Luk 21:10  Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom;
Luk 21:11  and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.


I don’t know if we are at the end of this age but it sure does appear as if we are with all that is going on all around us.

Joel:
History has shown that those nations that are successful at war can exist for very long periods of time, as did the Roman empire that lasted for about 1,000 years. The morals of the Romans are another subject all together.
War and all the equipment that is required, and the necessity for manufacturing plants, can be a boost to the economy of that warring nation, and its allies.
My dad worked in a cloth factory that made the material for parachutes during the second world war, he was exempt from military service because of this occupation.

Matthew 22:15-22
17-Tell us therefore, What thinkest  thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18-But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19-Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20-And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21-They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Joel

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