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The devil made me do it !
Extol:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 23, 2015, 11:27:16 PM ---I'm always wondering the same thing--why do we need to have an adversary if our minds are already feeling deep hatred toward God and are prone to disobey and are in fact already disobeying and far from Him?
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Hi Gina,
As Ray correctly pointed out, a man does not need any help to lust after a woman. God doesn't have to force him to do it. There is no God (or devil) on the shoulder saying "Do it! DO IT! LUST AFTER THAT WOMAN." As you say, we are already disobeying, even without the adversary. We volunteer to sin.
I don't think of Satan as someone who is trying to convince me to sin or hate the things of God (don't need any help for that.) I think of him as one who tries to deceive us, the believers. When I think of Satan the deceiver, I don't think of primitive tribes in Africa who have no knowledge of God. I think of Christianity, and the Church. "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness" (2 Cor 11:14-15). There are people in the Church who sincerely believe they are following the truth, but are being deceived. There are even some teachers of universal reconciliation who are ministers of Satan. It can be very enticing--even for some of us here--to go down certain paths.
In his study Does All Mean All? Ray says there is no Greek word that MUST mean absolutely all and everyone. So theologians can argue that "all will be saved" does not necessarily mean ALL will be saved. Ray asks "Why isn't there a Greek word that simply means ALL? Well if there were such a word, how then would Satan deceive the whole world (Rev. 12:9)?" So things like "for ever and ever" in the King James Version...that is the work of the adversary deceiving the world. We don't need his help to sin; it's when we think we are being good and following the truth that he is at his most dangerous, and so we must "be alert and of sober mind" (1 Pet. 5:8 ).
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 23, 2015, 12:41:11 PM ---Hi again Gina and Alex,
I think that Rick has settled his claim with the insurance as Gina says. Not entirely happy but not gonna let it bother him.
On the other hand, for Alex, I think we should remember that the insurance policy is a legal contract and the company has the right and even the obligation to it's stock holders, to limit the payment of claims to those that they owe according to the "contract".
If you insure your $100,000.00 home for $70,000.00 in order to save a little on the premium and a tornado takes the whole house over to the next County, all you are going to get to pay off your bank loan is the promised $70,000.00. The claims adjuster is not a charity with "tons" of extra money laying around to dole out to needy folks who didn't buy enough protection to cover their true needs. Of course you already know this, so I'm just reminding you of that fact.
We have to read the fine print in any contract we sign and be sure that we understand what we have and what we do not have.
In my own personal experience as a small claims adjuster/agent, the company was most interested in getting the legitimate claims paid quickly and the release forms signed and filed away. When I paid for a broken auto windshield I took pains to insure that the glass was properly installed so that there would be no complaints against me or the company. That is how an agent builds a successful business.
I don't know the details of the contract in question, but I do know that there are several levels of protection available at various increasing costs.
Hope my comments may be helpful. I-bob
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Hi Bob,
You addressed me in your post but I'm not sure why. I don't recall mentioning any sort of contract I was involved in? I believe you were addressing this to Rick correct? I could be wrong...
Kindly,
Alex
indianabob:
Hi Alex,
You are correct, It was Ian I was referring to and got mixed up.
Ian said at the end of one of his messages. quote
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There are ways to get your compensation for your pool.. don't fear a major insurance company, take them on ... That is, if you believe you are a "citizen"
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Since it was a long message I confused Ian with Alex.
Sincere apologies to you both. 8)
Indiana bob
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 23, 2015, 08:26:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on July 23, 2015, 01:32:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 19, 2015, 10:12:34 AM ---
Is Satan a real literal spirit or is Satan a figurative type of figure ? According to 1Pe 5:8 and Luk 8:44 and Luk 18:8 Satan is a literal spirit.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
According to statistics there are six billion people on earth today and are all six billion people being effected by one spirit being? Are there enough hours in the day for one spirit being to deceive an entire world full of people ?
Well, according to Luk 18:8 there must be however no one scripture is of its own interpretation and I was not able to find another match for Luk 18:8 at this time but I shall keep searching.
Luk 18:8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
But still I’m left with this though, is Satan a real literal spirit being or is Satan a system, what I mean by a system is I’m remembering back sometime ago while mowing my lawn and hit a foreign object that had been ejected through my above ground pool wall and the pool liner and lost all the water from the hole made by this object.
After calling the insurance company I discovered I was not covered from the damage caused by my lawn mower and me however I was told if someone rammed a knife through the pool wall and liner I would of been covered meaning they will cover vandalism, a hole is a hole to me but they used it as a loophole to not pay out.
This type of business can cause one to be disingenuous rather than being honest. There is a hidden system in this world that hurt honest people. This world encourages one to be dishonest. :(
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I believe that Satan is the carnal influence and I firmly believe Jesus is The Spiritual influence
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Hi Ian,
This statement you made brought a few scriptures to mind , one of them is
( Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope )
I don’t believe God created us with inherent evil, I believe God created us spiritually weak.
The next scripture is ,
( Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. )
These are not the words of a man born with inherent evil but a man who wants to do the right thing but is unable because he is spiritually to weak to do all the good he would do if able.
I don’t think your saying Satan is our carnal mind but rather Satan influences our carnal minds away from God but this presents a problem for me because of this scripture,
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
So, why does Satan need to influence our mind when by birth our mind is already in a state of enmity against God ?
You said that Christ is the spiritual influence of our minds, so now with that scenario we are now like a receiver tuning in to both Christ and Satan but Joh 6:44 disputes that.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Now, the only way Christ can influence our mind would mean God the Father would have to actually draw the person to Christ but if God the Father draws not the person to Christ then we are still confronted with Rom 8:7
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
I’m still learning so if I’m in error please forgive me, its not intentional.
God bless.
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Yeah - the "influence" is pertaining to the word (only) the truth of the word sets one free from this influence (a new understanding)...a weak mind (carnal)is able to be conned . which as you point out is/was necessary
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 24, 2015, 05:37:25 PM ---Hi Alex,
You are correct, It was Ian I was referring to and got mixed up.
Ian said at the end of one of his messages. quote
"PS
There are ways to get your compensation for your pool.. don't fear a major insurance company, take them on ... That is, if you believe you are a "citizen"
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Since it was a long message I confused Ian with Alex.
Sincere apologies to you both. 8)
Indiana bob
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just saying the road i travelled there are/have been many snares, He delivers ...
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