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The devil made me do it !
indianabob:
Hi again Gina and Alex,
I think that Rick has settled his claim with the insurance as Gina says. Not entirely happy but not gonna let it bother him.
On the other hand, for Alex, I think we should remember that the insurance policy is a legal contract and the company has the right and even the obligation to it's stock holders, to limit the payment of claims to those that they owe according to the "contract".
If you insure your $100,000.00 home for $70,000.00 in order to save a little on the premium and a tornado takes the whole house over to the next County, all you are going to get to pay off your bank loan is the promised $70,000.00. The claims adjuster is not a charity with "tons" of extra money laying around to dole out to needy folks who didn't buy enough protection to cover their true needs. Of course you already know this, so I'm just reminding you of that fact.
We have to read the fine print in any contract we sign and be sure that we understand what we have and what we do not have.
In my own personal experience as a small claims adjuster/agent, the company was most interested in getting the legitimate claims paid quickly and the release forms signed and filed away. When I paid for a broken auto windshield I took pains to insure that the glass was properly installed so that there would be no complaints against me or the company. That is how an agent builds a successful business.
I don't know the details of the contract in question, but I do know that there are several levels of protection available at various increasing costs.
Hope my comments may be helpful. I-bob
Gina:
Great info, iBob. Yeah, God's been very kind to me. I have never had a problem with any insurance company, so far. I've had my car stolen by someone years ago and the insurance company paid for the rest of the car note and gave me a little more so that I'd have enough to make a decent down payment on my next car. The police even called me a year later to let me know that they found my car. They found it in Mexico. The cop told me that it was stripped of everything. The only thing that hadn't been done to it was that it hadn't been burned. LOL That's what the cop told me over the phone - this was back in 1991. I had my new car and I was fine. I had a good laugh about that (because truthfully, who ever stole that car, did me a huge favor.)
Same thing when I had my car radio stolen twice. It's the way of the world. It's not the insurance company's so much as it is the way of the world and it's really all so that we will ultimately believe that God is with us and there is no temptation that has overtaken you but that which is common to man, and will not be so much that you cannot bear it. But along with the temptation, God will make a way through it so that we aren't overtaken (by emotion, sin, theft, ill-will, etc.). God is working all things are for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose. This stuff comes to pass.. It doesn't come to stay, it comes and it passes when we learn all there is to learn from the trials and sufferings.
Thanks for your input iBob. Yeah, I work with a former insurance adjuster, and he was very kind and very generous and very truthful and honest.
rick:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on July 23, 2015, 01:32:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 19, 2015, 10:12:34 AM ---
Is Satan a real literal spirit or is Satan a figurative type of figure ? According to 1Pe 5:8 and Luk 8:44 and Luk 18:8 Satan is a literal spirit.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
According to statistics there are six billion people on earth today and are all six billion people being effected by one spirit being? Are there enough hours in the day for one spirit being to deceive an entire world full of people ?
Well, according to Luk 18:8 there must be however no one scripture is of its own interpretation and I was not able to find another match for Luk 18:8 at this time but I shall keep searching.
Luk 18:8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
But still I知 left with this though, is Satan a real literal spirit being or is Satan a system, what I mean by a system is I知 remembering back sometime ago while mowing my lawn and hit a foreign object that had been ejected through my above ground pool wall and the pool liner and lost all the water from the hole made by this object.
After calling the insurance company I discovered I was not covered from the damage caused by my lawn mower and me however I was told if someone rammed a knife through the pool wall and liner I would of been covered meaning they will cover vandalism, a hole is a hole to me but they used it as a loophole to not pay out.
This type of business can cause one to be disingenuous rather than being honest. There is a hidden system in this world that hurt honest people. This world encourages one to be dishonest. :(
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I believe that Satan is the carnal influence and I firmly believe Jesus is The Spiritual influence
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Hi Ian,
This statement you made brought a few scriptures to mind , one of them is
( Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope )
I don稚 believe God created us with inherent evil, I believe God created us spiritually weak.
The next scripture is ,
( Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. )
These are not the words of a man born with inherent evil but a man who wants to do the right thing but is unable because he is spiritually to weak to do all the good he would do if able.
I don稚 think your saying Satan is our carnal mind but rather Satan influences our carnal minds away from God but this presents a problem for me because of this scripture,
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
So, why does Satan need to influence our mind when by birth our mind is already in a state of enmity against God ?
You said that Christ is the spiritual influence of our minds, so now with that scenario we are now like a receiver tuning in to both Christ and Satan but Joh 6:44 disputes that.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.
Now, the only way Christ can influence our mind would mean God the Father would have to actually draw the person to Christ but if God the Father draws not the person to Christ then we are still confronted with Rom 8:7
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
I知 still learning so if I知 in error please forgive me, its not intentional.
God bless.
Gina:
I'm always wondering the same thing--why do we need to have an adversary if our minds are already feeling deep hatred toward God and are prone to disobey and are in fact already disobeying and far from Him?
A weak mind doesn't want to die. It wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to live the life of glory. They weren't about to touch that tree after God told them they "might" die.
But we know that in order to be made in God's image we have to die (to self) first. But the flesh / the carnal mind never thinks this way - the thoughts of a carnal man are much lower than the thoughts of God and it thinks it loves God when it really hates God.
They think they love Him because they are doing exactly what He tells them to do; eat of all the trees in the garden and never eating of the tree of knowledge.
They were doing exactly what he said to do, too. And that's all they could see.
But they didn't really love Him. He knew that. But how do you get prideful people who live by sight and not faith, to admit that? Did their pride ever blind them?
(And their eyes were opened and they saw that they were naked ... and blind....)
Eve wasn't even touching the tree! She must have thought she was being such a good little girl.
I can see how Eve, in talking with the serpent, drew close to God with her lips, but her heart was far from Him.
She sounds like Jane Curtin in the Coneheads:
"Of.all.the.trees.we.are.eating.but.of.the.tree.in.the.
middle.God.said.do.not.eat.do.not.even.touch.it.lest.you.die."
She was bored and lonely or something. Just the same way Adam was bored and lonely before the excitement of Eve came to life.
Adam was lonely and bored out of his skull before Eve came to town.
He's like:
Wow! Flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone!
He's not:
WOW! I've finally got a friend I can talk to for a change!!!
All he saw was her body. Flesh and bone. Bone and flesh.
But he couldn't help it. He was by nature a physical / visual creature.
She was no different.
She too needed some sort of helper meet, I imagine.
I mean, before children or hardships or Satan enters the picture, there's not much a good girl can talk about with an "obedient God-fearing" carnal minded man.
Nice day, idn't it. Yep, sure is.....
:)
She was bored!
But Adam had all he ever wanted! Bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh. "MY flesh" "MY bone."
It comes across to me as a either a great comfort to him and/or a great source of pride to see this beautiful thing coming toward him or laying next to him after he woke up from that deep sleep, and knowing that THAT CAME FROM ME???? WOW, I am something, aren't I?
Nah, just kidding.
I bet Adam wept like a baby when he saw Eve. Like women weep when we meet our children for the first time. We're like, Oh my gosh - look at this sweet little thing!! So sweet!!! I can't believe that came out of me!? Awwww. So sweet.
I think God thought they were both really sweet.
Otherwise, I don't see why God wouldn't just reach out and "smite them." He doesn't really need Satan for that.
"God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked."
(God's like: I'm not about to kill my children myself - they're so darn cute! Look at them!! No, way, I just can't do it. I'll have to make something else to do it. )
"Let no one say when he is tempted that he is tempted by God, because God tempts no one, neither can God be tempted.)
And apparently Adam and Eve were pretty tough to crack. Eve wasn't going down so easy. She must have been very hard to outwit. Fleshly minded? Yes. Are there carnally-minded people in the world who are pretty blessed in the brains department? Sure!
So God had to make her opposition the subtlest of all field life, the slickest clown in town was the only thing that could take her down. I guess. I don't know.
:)
But I bet that selfish act of Satan's went directly to his head. I bet Satan was so proud of himself for that. Nom-nom-nom....gulp!
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Gina on July 23, 2015, 09:58:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on July 23, 2015, 01:32:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 19, 2015, 10:12:34 AM ---
Is Satan a real literal spirit or is Satan a figurative type of figure ? According to 1Pe 5:8 and Luk 8:44 and Luk 18:8 Satan is a literal spirit.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
According to statistics there are six billion people on earth today and are all six billion people being effected by one spirit being? Are there enough hours in the day for one spirit being to deceive an entire world full of people ?
Well, according to Luk 18:8 there must be however no one scripture is of its own interpretation and I was not able to find another match for Luk 18:8 at this time but I shall keep searching.
Luk 18:8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
But still I知 left with this though, is Satan a real literal spirit being or is Satan a system, what I mean by a system is I知 remembering back sometime ago while mowing my lawn and hit a foreign object that had been ejected through my above ground pool wall and the pool liner and lost all the water from the hole made by this object.
After calling the insurance company I discovered I was not covered from the damage caused by my lawn mower and me however I was told if someone rammed a knife through the pool wall and liner I would of been covered meaning they will cover vandalism, a hole is a hole to me but they used it as a loophole to not pay out.
This type of business can cause one to be disingenuous rather than being honest. There is a hidden system in this world that hurt honest people. This world encourages one to be dishonest. :(
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Hi Rick ... My Own words - I can elaborate but to start...
I believe that Satan is the carnal influence and I firmly believe Jesus is The Spiritual influence
"Heart" is ones mind (translated) i.E. heart of stone vs heart of flesh
I have many scriptures, however if I dump them and one has a carnal mind what good is that.
Satan will present the opposite of what the word presents But to the carnal mind he appears as an angel of light (he makes common sense)as opposed to the word which makes no (common sense) but is generally abrasive and against that which is taught by men...
Satan does fall like lightening from heaven - this is, understanding where heaven is... firstly my word tells me heaven is within us so heaven is not "up there" luk 17v21 heaven to me is a realm of higher understanding (above the intelligence of mere man)once you are filled with Gods spirit (which is a process) you will walk above the "sea" of humanity and when you get pulled down into it ,you are able to call out as Peter did "Lord save me" matt 14v30 (when one is born one is immediately cast into THIS WORLD (system) after a time you OVERCOME THIS WORLD.
Satan falls like lightening when the Spirit imparts understanding when this happens there is usually much violence in as much as wrestling with past knowledge that one has acquired from Satan (carnal mind).Matt 11v12 as opposed to a new understanding from the Holy Spirit, Ezekiel 36v26
Also important is the 1st few words namely The Kingdom of Heaven COMES....(whether we like it or not) to me this is a process there is a lot of "clutter" to get rid of 1st.. some would say that is the purpose of this lifetime in the worldly sense.
I believe and I have scripture that even in this world...one can walk above (in the heavens)
To Say "Satan Made me do it" is not far from the truth, according to Gen 3v13 . You answer is the verse preceding v 13
To wrap up ,Consider this... The Spirit brings life and peace John 6 vs 63 as opposed to Rom 8v6
THIS ABOVE IS MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH
PS
There are ways to get your compensation for your pool.. don't fear a major insurance company, take them on ... That is, if you believe you are a "citizen"
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Ian,
I don't know -- are you saying that Satan is the carnal mind? Because Satan is not the carnal mind, my friend. Satan feeds on the carnal minds of people.
Gina
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Hey,yes It should have read "who influences the carnal mind"that mind,being "influenceable" if there is such a word - being weak
I understand that to be "carnally minded" is Death to be "Christ Minded" is Life and peace If one is carnally minded they think and act like their Father who is the Devil and vice versa concerning the mind of Christ... He the Devil is the prince of the air, we overcome him by being given understanding and implementing the (way & truth & life) of the Word.
If one has not been regenerated one walks according to the law, which leads/brings one to "death" (this is the outward understanding of the word and is necessary ) there is a huge difference when one is not thinking according to the shadow...but has access to the inner place/room. (an understanding of the cross)
I think if one thinks like Satan (re the scriptures )one can safely say that person has a corrupt, perverse mind, not the mind of Christ but the mind of Satan/death/carnality and is carnal.(you know them that are ,by their fruits)It "seems" we are born into this chaotic state (we have to experience death) or we "die to it" that is the way of the world.(chaos)
hence our "old or dead/dying" mind has to be replaced with a new one and God says he will do this.
So to answer your statement above, If one has a carnal mind...
one does think like Satan and... Satan is in control...
if the carnal mind is "dust" then yes, Satan feeds on the carnal mind
re the swimming pool... Paul got arrested many times before he received knowledge/understanding that he was in fact a "Roman" citizen (this changed things) what I meant is that "we often get done over" , before we too get understanding/revelation of our rightful place. There may be many "loopholes" in this world,
but our God is extremely clever... :D
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