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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 22, 2015, 10:31:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 22, 2015, 09:55:14 PM ---JFK,
I love you man. Your humility is an inspiration ;) :D :D :P
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Hi Alex,
We all appreciate your admiration and love for our brother J from K , but why not add to this tread and let the rest of us know what your take is on the subject.
But to only say ( I love you man ) well ,what are we to do with that? Just wondering my brother in Christ.
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Hi Rick,
I'm sorry I have not contributed. I don't want to add any confusion to what already appears to be a dizzying array of perspectives. Give me some time and I will try and share if I feel that my response can be more than, "I agree with what so-and-so said."
God bless,
Alex
rick:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 22, 2015, 08:43:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 22, 2015, 08:06:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 22, 2015, 11:34:47 AM ---
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2109.0.html
[2] Satan is an "angel" which means "messenger" in both Hebrew and Greek (II Cor. 11:14).
The above is a direct quote from Ray Smith. But to listen to some of the scriptural scholars and teachers among us, I guess Ray is wrong. Oh well, what can you expect from a mere roofer. ;D
I thought one reason for this Forum was to discuss the scriptural understandings of Ray Smith. ???
People like to say they appreciate the teachings of Ray. They like to say they know and believe in the Scriptures. They like to say how much they love people, and how humble they are, and how good they are.
One thing I learned from Ray, and Jesus, and the Spirit of God. Most people, the Many, are full of spiritual crap, and they do not like it when they are exposed.
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Hi John,
I agree with Kat, just wanted you to understand that, Ray explained to all of us about the twelve spiritual truths, did Ray explain these things so we could not advance in knowledge ?
If someone starts talking to us in a direction that leads us away from the truth then we can deal with that lying spirit at the time we discover it.
I wonder how much Ray would of understood the things of God if he were told not to deviate from the teachings of Christendom ?
I believe you understand John, don’t be afraid to grow in knowledge and truth beyond Ray, he gave us enough to go on and grow, its like Kat said we stand behind Ray, John, but there is something more important than Ray here, and that would be Christ, why hinder the spirit ?
I do commend you for your loyalty to Ray but you know John, your not the only one loyal to Ray John, but our loyalty should be to Christ and Christ only, if you feel diffident I’ll not argue with you, go for it.
ct 5:39 However, if it's from God, you won't be able to stop them. You may even discover that you're fighting against God."
You’re a smart man John, in the things of God, no doubt.
Take care John and God bless you.
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Hello Rick,
I follow Jesus. One thing I disagreed with Ray on was Ray calling himself a teacher. I have Scripture that says only Jesus is our teacher.
But be that as it may, Ray was a powerful expounder of God's Word. He was especially strong in providing at least two witnesses of Scripture on the points he was making. It was the Scriptures and God's Spirit that made Ray's statements powerful.
And before you think Ray was wrong in the email I quoted, you should become more learned in the Scriptures yourself. Ray does have at least two Scriptures to support his statement in that email. I know those Scriptures, do you? Before you reject what Ray wrote, you should find those Scriptures and see if you can refute them.
A lot of the chatter on here is based on personality. Who likes who.
But a true man of God follows that Scripture that says we should tremble at God's Word. My advice to you is to put God and His Word first in your life, before supposed teachings of men.
Let me let you in on a secret. The Many, both here and in the World, do not follow the two witnesses. What they will do is do a scripture dump, where they will quote many Scriptures, then proceed to give you their opinions on what the Scriptures mean.
Do not be deceived.
What Ray showed us is that one needs at least two Scriptures to establish a Truth. The two Scriptures do not need interpretation. The Two Scriptures, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, will clearly show the Truth and it will not contradict any other Scripture. God does not lie and His Word does not lie. Those are paramount Truths as old roofer Ray said.
But some here will admit they do not know the Scriptural answer on something, then proceed to quote Scriptures, then give us their opinion. The blind follow the blind.
Put so called teachers to a test. Ask them to provide the Two Witnesses to their statements. Two clear Scriptures. Most cannot or will not do that.
Compare the clarity of what Ray wrote to the confused ramblings of many teacher wannabes.
Before you throw Ray aside, for more truth, make sure you know where you are being led. Just sayin.
May God bless your path too,
John
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Hi John,
Don’t think I don’t appreciate your wisdom and understanding in the things of God, only a fool would not.
I remember a time when you ridicule another and myself for saying things without using scripture and I only want to say I was wrong and you were right. I’m not a prophet as you once referred to me as I’m a nobody in this life, may God keep it that way also.
You taught me the important’s of using at least two scriptures when talking about the things of God. I hope you notices lately that I do used scripture these days when expressing what I believe.
I love your zeal for both God and truth and I know only Jesus can bring such things about, I read your reply and the warnings therein you mentioned and am very thankful you care enough to say so.
My intentions here is not to cause strife or dissension, I like you, desire the truth, life is difficult John, and learning the truth is even more difficult and being or getting saved is even harder.
Please, don’t put me on the list of those who prefer you not, I personally think you’re a man who just wants the truth and has no issue exposing those who contradict, and for that John, I do thank you.
May God just not bless you alone but may He bless us all.
rick:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 22, 2015, 10:43:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 22, 2015, 10:31:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 22, 2015, 09:55:14 PM ---JFK,
I love you man. Your humility is an inspiration ;) :D :D :P
--- End quote ---
Hi Alex,
We all appreciate your admiration and love for our brother J from K , but why not add to this tread and let the rest of us know what your take is on the subject.
But to only say ( I love you man ) well ,what are we to do with that? Just wondering my brother in Christ.
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick,
I'm sorry I have not contributed. I don't want to add any confusion to what already appears to be a dizzying array of perspectives. Give me some time and I will try and share if I feel that my response can be more than, "I agree with what so-and-so said."
God bless,
Alex
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Hi Alex,
I understand your meaning Alex however I know you have so much to offer, and you really do Alex, I’m sorry you feel things have become a disarray of understanding, but please don’t feel your input would keep us there in that which you believe where in.
I hope your studies as a doctor are going well for you, I think you’ll do well Alex, your very smart and I’m happy for you, May God keep you in His wisdom and may people’s health stay good in your care.
God bless you my brother in Christ, if I’m fortunate enough to be in Christ, then we are brothers if not, I’m sure you’ll be kind and helpful to me in the next life. God bless.
Ian 155:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 19, 2015, 10:12:34 AM ---
Is Satan a real literal spirit or is Satan a figurative type of figure ? According to 1Pe 5:8 and Luk 8:44 and Luk 18:8 Satan is a literal spirit.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
According to statistics there are six billion people on earth today and are all six billion people being effected by one spirit being? Are there enough hours in the day for one spirit being to deceive an entire world full of people ?
Well, according to Luk 18:8 there must be however no one scripture is of its own interpretation and I was not able to find another match for Luk 18:8 at this time but I shall keep searching.
Luk 18:8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
But still I’m left with this though, is Satan a real literal spirit being or is Satan a system, what I mean by a system is I’m remembering back sometime ago while mowing my lawn and hit a foreign object that had been ejected through my above ground pool wall and the pool liner and lost all the water from the hole made by this object.
After calling the insurance company I discovered I was not covered from the damage caused by my lawn mower and me however I was told if someone rammed a knife through the pool wall and liner I would of been covered meaning they will cover vandalism, a hole is a hole to me but they used it as a loophole to not pay out.
This type of business can cause one to be disingenuous rather than being honest. There is a hidden system in this world that hurt honest people. This world encourages one to be dishonest. :(
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Hi Rick ... My Own words - I can elaborate but to start...
I believe that Satan is the carnal influence and I firmly believe Jesus is The Spiritual influence
"Heart" is ones mind (translated) i.E. heart of stone vs heart of flesh
I have many scriptures, however if I dump them and one has a carnal mind what good is that.
Satan will present the opposite of what the word presents But to the carnal mind he appears as an angel of light (he makes common sense)as opposed to the word which makes no (common sense) but is generally abrasive and against that which is taught by men...
Satan does fall like lightening from heaven - this is, understanding where heaven is... firstly my word tells me heaven is within us so heaven is not "up there" luk 17v21 heaven to me is a realm of higher understanding (above the intelligence of mere man)once you are filled with Gods spirit (which is a process) you will walk above the "sea" of humanity and when you get pulled down into it ,you are able to call out as Peter did "Lord save me" matt 14v30 (when one is born one is immediately cast into THIS WORLD (system) after a time you OVERCOME THIS WORLD.
Satan falls like lightening when the Spirit imparts understanding when this happens there is usually much violence in as much as wrestling with past knowledge that one has acquired from Satan (carnal mind).Matt 11v12 as opposed to a new understanding from the Holy Spirit, Ezekiel 36v26
Also important is the 1st few words namely The Kingdom of Heaven COMES....(whether we like it or not) to me this is a process there is a lot of "clutter" to get rid of 1st.. some would say that is the purpose of this lifetime in the worldly sense.
I believe and I have scripture that even in this world...one can walk above (in the heavens)
To Say "Satan Made me do it" is not far from the truth, according to Gen 3v13 . You answer is the verse preceding v 13
To wrap up ,Consider this... The Spirit brings life and peace John 6 vs 63 as opposed to Rom 8v6
THIS ABOVE IS MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH
PS
There are ways to get your compensation for your pool.. don't fear a major insurance company, take them on ... That is, if you believe you are a "citizen"
Gina:
--- Quote from: Ian 155 on July 23, 2015, 01:32:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rick on July 19, 2015, 10:12:34 AM ---
Is Satan a real literal spirit or is Satan a figurative type of figure ? According to 1Pe 5:8 and Luk 8:44 and Luk 18:8 Satan is a literal spirit.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven.
According to statistics there are six billion people on earth today and are all six billion people being effected by one spirit being? Are there enough hours in the day for one spirit being to deceive an entire world full of people ?
Well, according to Luk 18:8 there must be however no one scripture is of its own interpretation and I was not able to find another match for Luk 18:8 at this time but I shall keep searching.
Luk 18:8 I say unto you, that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
But still I’m left with this though, is Satan a real literal spirit being or is Satan a system, what I mean by a system is I’m remembering back sometime ago while mowing my lawn and hit a foreign object that had been ejected through my above ground pool wall and the pool liner and lost all the water from the hole made by this object.
After calling the insurance company I discovered I was not covered from the damage caused by my lawn mower and me however I was told if someone rammed a knife through the pool wall and liner I would of been covered meaning they will cover vandalism, a hole is a hole to me but they used it as a loophole to not pay out.
This type of business can cause one to be disingenuous rather than being honest. There is a hidden system in this world that hurt honest people. This world encourages one to be dishonest. :(
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick ... My Own words - I can elaborate but to start...
I believe that Satan is the carnal influence and I firmly believe Jesus is The Spiritual influence
"Heart" is ones mind (translated) i.E. heart of stone vs heart of flesh
I have many scriptures, however if I dump them and one has a carnal mind what good is that.
Satan will present the opposite of what the word presents But to the carnal mind he appears as an angel of light (he makes common sense)as opposed to the word which makes no (common sense) but is generally abrasive and against that which is taught by men...
Satan does fall like lightening from heaven - this is, understanding where heaven is... firstly my word tells me heaven is within us so heaven is not "up there" luk 17v21 heaven to me is a realm of higher understanding (above the intelligence of mere man)once you are filled with Gods spirit (which is a process) you will walk above the "sea" of humanity and when you get pulled down into it ,you are able to call out as Peter did "Lord save me" matt 14v30 (when one is born one is immediately cast into THIS WORLD (system) after a time you OVERCOME THIS WORLD.
Satan falls like lightening when the Spirit imparts understanding when this happens there is usually much violence in as much as wrestling with past knowledge that one has acquired from Satan (carnal mind).Matt 11v12 as opposed to a new understanding from the Holy Spirit, Ezekiel 36v26
Also important is the 1st few words namely The Kingdom of Heaven COMES....(whether we like it or not) to me this is a process there is a lot of "clutter" to get rid of 1st.. some would say that is the purpose of this lifetime in the worldly sense.
I believe and I have scripture that even in this world...one can walk above (in the heavens)
To Say "Satan Made me do it" is not far from the truth, according to Gen 3v13 . You answer is the verse preceding v 13
To wrap up ,Consider this... The Spirit brings life and peace John 6 vs 63 as opposed to Rom 8v6
THIS ABOVE IS MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH
PS
There are ways to get your compensation for your pool.. don't fear a major insurance company, take them on ... That is, if you believe you are a "citizen"
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Ian,
I don't know -- are you saying that Satan is the carnal mind? Because Satan is not the carnal mind, my friend. Satan feeds on the carnal minds of people.
If you read all of the replies from Rick, you'd see that Rick took the high road and the peaceful way. Rick fixed his own pool. He didn't need to argue or grapple or go to law against these people, because God gave Rick the ability to be handy when it comes to things like that. It was all a test for Rick to see that God is with him and he doesn't need to worry that when things like this creep up that God will not be there for him. I would never suggest that any brother in Christ or anyone for that matter, resort to going to law when it comes to these "little things." It's an exercise in futility. Carnal institutions like the insurance companies don't back down easily - they are beasts. Trust in the Lord and He will direct your paths. God didn't let Rick slide into carnal thinking of "taking anyone on."
Outside of those two small things, a lot of what you said makes a lot of sense and resonates with me. Thanks for sharing, Ian
Gina
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