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I will pour out My spirit on all flesh...
lauriellen:
Ray taught us to pay attention to ALL the words....I was studying and 'saw' something that I hadn't considered before...and I wondered if Ray ever talked about this subject? Here is the passage:
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
What I hadn't considered before is that this sounds like a promise, with a second witness in Joel, both stating that the spirit of God will be poured out on ALL flesh *BEFORE* the day of the Lord comes. It was also brought to my attention that the first Pentecost when God poured His spirit out on Jesus' followers was just a small sample of how it will be in the 'latter days'. I have never noticed the *BEFORE* until it was brought to my attention and have never heard anyone teach this would happen before the second coming.
My question is, did Ray ever address this and if so, can someone point that out to me?
Thanks, Lauriellen
Kat:
Hi lauriellen, here is where Ray on this.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=5815.0 ----
DISCIPLES THOUGHT JESUS WOULD COME IN THEIR LIFETIME
I Thess. 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
Paul said, “we who are alive and remain.” Now you could say he’s just saying “we,” whoever the we are at that time of His coming. But no, it sounds like he’s saying, we right now here. Those of us that are alive until His coming, we won’t actually go to sleep we’ll just be changed. You know, he’ll come and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we will rise to meet the Lord in the air.
I Cor. 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep…
Paul thought Christ would come before he would go to sleep(die).
v. 53 …but we shall all be changed,
v. 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord.
Like He is coming soon, just be patient and hang in there.
Joel 2:28 And it shall be afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy; your old men shall dream dreams; your young men shall see visions.
v. 29 And also I will pour out My Spirit on the slaves and on the slave women in those days.
v. 30 And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
v. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of Jehovah.
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
v. 16 but this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel:
v. 17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:
Peter thought, well this is the last days. Now he was right, he was inspired to write that because God did start pouring out His Spirit on Pentecost... so that was the last days. How long do the last days last? Until they are over. It’s been a pretty long time. But he didn’t finish the prophecy, he quoted Joel, but he didn’t finish all of Joel. Because it doesn’t all fit then. But the portion that he did quote, it does fit then.
You say, ‘but didn’t it mention heavenly signs.’ He said, you know these people aren’t drunk. These people are like the people that prophesied in Joel, where it says they shall dream dreams and see visions, all of that. The sun shall not give it’s light and the moon shall turn to blood.
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
Did that happen on Pentecost? Yes it did! How so? How did the sun not give it’s light? How did the moon instead of reflecting light, turn to blood?
Light is symbolic of God’s Truth. Jesus Christ is the light. The brightest physical symbol of light, brightness, this is our sun. So light comes from the strongest source. God - Jesus Christ is that light.
John the Baptist said, “that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,” (John 3:19). But He was that light. The Son gives light, that’s direct revelation from God.
Now the moon is the reflected light. That should come through the church and through the ministry. They get it from the Son. The moon (church) reflects it’s light from the Son (Christ), it doesn’t have it’s own light (Truth). If the sun went out, the moon would go out, because the moon has no light, it’s reflected light.
So as the ministry gets light, they give it to the congregation, they feed the sheep.
But what did He say would happen, starting on Pentecost? The sun/Son isn’t going to give it’s light anymore. God is not going to give direct light to the people anymore. The light that should be coming, that was already given to the moon, to be reflected, now it’s not going to give it’s light. It’s going to be turned to blood. What is this talking about?
Their revelation from God was going to cease. Apostasy is going to set in. The church is going to go amuck and instead of teaching the light from God and passing it on, they are going to turn to blood. How so?
Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7). Instead of giving light to the world as a secondary light, they turned to blood. They turned murderers.
Tomorrow we are going to go through and see how many men, who wanted to present God’s Word to everyday people like us, they had to pay with their lives. Well who would do such a dastardly thing? The moon! The secondary light of God’s Truth - the church - the Popes - the Bishops. If you even had…. you didn’t have to teach it or even read it, if you were found with a copy of Tyndale’s Bible, you were put to death. I mean it was pretty bad.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
John from Kentucky:
Sure do miss Ray and his clarity in presenting the Scriptures.
lauriellen:
Joel 2:28 And it shall be afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh.....v. 31 ..... before the coming of the great and awesome day of Jehovah.
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh.....Act 2:20 .... before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
I understand what Ray was saying and his point about the signs and symbolic meanings were/are fulfilled in each generation. I guess my question is directed specifically to the portion concerning the statement by God that He would pour out His spirit on
****ALL FLESH*****BEFORE***** the day of the Lord. Does the ''all'' in these declarations really mean ''all''? Ray said that God 'began' to pour out His spirit on Pentecost, but will there be a time before the day of the Lord when God will literally pour out His spirit on ALL FLESH? It just seems to me to be a pretty direct statement?
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on July 22, 2015, 10:11:29 PM ---
Joel 2:28 And it shall be afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh.....v. 31 ..... before the coming of the great and awesome day of Jehovah.
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh.....Act 2:20 .... before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
I understand what Ray was saying and his point about the signs and symbolic meanings were/are fulfilled in each generation. I guess my question is directed specifically to the portion concerning the statement by God that He would pour out His spirit on
****ALL FLESH*****BEFORE***** the day of the Lord. Does the ''all'' in these declarations really mean ''all''? Ray said that God 'began' to pour out His spirit on Pentecost, but will there be a time before the day of the Lord when God will literally pour out His spirit on ALL FLESH? It just seems to me to be a pretty direct statement?
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Lauriellen,
It says God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh in the last days. That is true. But the last days will not be over until the ages to come.
It says that the Sun will be darkened and the moon will turn to blood (all symbolically) before the Day of the Lord.
It does not say that His Spirit will be poured out before the Day of the Lord, but in the last days.
The Day of the Lord and the last days are not the same things.
Have you telescoped everything together possibly? And that has caused some confusion?
That is why no one Scripture is its own interpretation. One Scripture can be misunderstood.
That is why two Scriptures are needed. For the last days and the Day of the Lord to be the same thing, we will need two Scriptures to prove that.
Take care,
John
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