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Miranda_78:
Hi everyone,
'Karen_7 'is not my account anymore due to having forgot the password.
I have got questions about 'Antichrists'. I don't understand how to Necessarily Deal with this kind of a spirit in other people. I have read the beast within page of Rays' and it has helped me so much! So, here are my questions about this spirit...
1. Is the beast within a evil spirit? Or our person in everyone?
2. Does the beast within, the people who are in the world want worship?
3. Does this beast oppose anyone who is faithfully serving God?
4. Does the beast within the unreedemed make war with us (the saints) as long as we're here on earth?
5. Does the beast in the unredeemed have the workings of Satan?
I would appreciate answers from all! :)
Dave in Tenn:
Just the first bit as a refresher.
In our last installment, I said that "YOU are the beast." That is, "I" am the beast, "we" are the beast, "all humanity" is the beast. I marvel that any would deny it. Of course women have always known that "all men are beasts," but I am afraid I must be the bearer of bad news and report that "all women are beasts" as well. God is no respecter of gender.
Everyone in religious circles is looking for the beast, OUT THERE somewhere. If we are to find the beast OUT THERE, we might question whether he was ever IN HERE? That there "is, was, and will be" a beast OUT THERE, I have no doubt. But of what great concern is that to us? The only beast we need to concern ourselves with is the beast "within," "the man of sin." Just as the many-member beast comes "up out of the sea" [of humanity], we too came up out of the sea of humanity.
santgem:
--- Quote from: Miranda_78 on August 12, 2015, 07:21:30 PM ---Hi everyone,
'Karen_7 'is not my account anymore due to having forgot the password.
I have got questions about 'Antichrists'. I don't understand how to Necessarily Deal with this kind of a spirit in other people. I have read the beast within page of Rays' and it has helped me so much! So, here are my questions about this spirit...
1. Is the beast within a evil spirit? Or our person in everyone?
2. Does the beast within, the people who are in the world want worship?
3. Does this beast oppose anyone who is faithfully serving God?
4. Does the beast within the unreedemed make war with us (the saints) as long as we're here on earth?
5. Does the beast in the unredeemed have the workings of Satan?
I would appreciate answers from all! :)
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Hello Miranda_78,
Greetings!
Sometimes it is good to visits Scriptures and ask the Spirit of the Lord for understanding. If Ray was given a wisdom, you too will have it if you ask Jesus. We have already a guidance by reading materials from Ray but not at all was given to him.
There are cases that if I have doubt, i ask the Lord for His Spirits to give me a wisdom/understanding.
For me i believed that there is Antichrist, simply that "if you are not with Christ you are against Christ" and you are Antichrist.
“Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me. Mat 12:30
“Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me. Luke 11:23
Is not coincidence that when you depart from Jesus and not to believe in Him will make you 666?
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. John 6:66
Did you know that it is sin not believing in Jesus?
The world’s sin is that it refuses to believe in me. John 16:9
You will be judged together with the prince of this World.
Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged. John 16:11
but if you believe Jesus, you will not be judged.
“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
and who is Antichrist? many do not believe Jesus that he is the Son of God and thus denying him.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.1Jo 2:22
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 1Jo 2:23
and now my questions, Do you deny Jesus? Do you not believe in him? Do you not follow him? Do you not believe that he is the Son of God? are you antichrist?
se7en:
Good questions!
Just to reiterate what everyone has said already. The beast is us, it's within.
This woman asked me a question the other day about eternal life and forgiveness, I was explaining the beast within us all, that old man of sin that we all are at first, have to acknowledge, and dealt that final deadly blow before the new man can be birthed. This was her reply.
"But I've never really been bad, even as a kid, I've always believed in God (the Baptist God) and have known He has been with me."
Revelation 3:17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—
We all are that beast... and when confronted and dragged by Christ are made to see that beast within... and woe... woe, all is undone.
Luke 18:9-14 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Until we are made to see that we are the beast, there is no repentance.
I have honestly said those exact words before while I was in the "church world". I meant them too... I was very thankful to God that I was not like other men. I thought I was being humble too, actually thanking God that I was this way. I thought the Pharasee was someone else, "out there" and I thought that I was the humble tax collector. I didn't know or realize that I was both men at my appointed time.
We are all first of our father the devil, and have an antichrist spirit.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
You can tell what spirit a person is of after listening for a while. If they are saying that Jesus Christ is NOT the savior of the whole world and all men will be saved in due time... if they claim that they have a "free will". If they would rather fight for Christ rather than die with Him... then you know it's the spirit of the antichrist.
How do you deal with the antichrist spirit within people?
One or two admonitions, after that, leave them be. Like this lady who recently asked me a question... I told her the truth, and after her remark, I tried explaining it a bit better but there was no turning there. She held to her guns. That's okay... that's where God has her right now. A seed was planted and hopefully will be watered in this age to grow to fruition.
We are quick to listen, and slow to speak. If you feel like you would be denying Christ by not saying something, then politely say something and then move on. Most assuredly they will drop their mouth open and look at you all wide eyed for what you just said, but that's okay. God is making them who they are just as He is making us who we are. They have to do what they do in order for us to come out and be seperate.
To answer your questions directly...
1. Is the beast within a evil spirit? Or our person in everyone? "We are that beast and we do what our father the devil tells us to do until Christ enter's in. It's all spiritual"
2. Does the beast within, the people who are in the world want worship? "Absolutely, which is why it's written... "I will be like the most high..."
3. Does this beast oppose anyone who is faithfully serving God? "Absolutely true, even if they are not aware of it."
4. Does the beast within the unreedemed make war with us (the saints) as long as we're here on earth? "Yes, they have a different heart and mind with different goals."
5. Does the beast in the unredeemed have the workings of Satan? "Yes, absolutely. But it's all ultimately of God."
But don't forget, this war is within us first and foremost. Even though the beast has taken that final deadly blow and is dying... we are still in fleshy, marred, clay vessels and flawed until the redemption. That's why we die daily, run the race and continously to throw off anything that would slow us down, we beat our flesh into submission. It's constant... there are ups and downs, valley's and hills. Times of battle and times of rest. And it is God doing all the work within us and through us.
I hope this has helped!
horan:
Hello,
I'm brand new to this forum, so forgive me if I don't appear to be up to speed. But I'm wondering, from reading the postings on this topic, if you folks subscribe to the idea that the beast in Revelation, which arises from the sea, is Rome. This understanding isn't embraced by everybody who studies that document, but it is embraced by many and was, according to my understanding, embraced by many, if not practically all of the leading reformers of the 15th and 16th centuries. The sea, in prophetic scripture is understood to be a multitude, or diversity of nations, peoples and tongues, while a beast is understood to be an empire. Thus we have the Roman empire arising from a multitude of nations, peoples and tongues, which symbolism in Revelation also very nicely agrees with the 4th beast in Daniel.
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