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Question about anti christs
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Horan on September 14, 2015, 11:09:29 AM ---Hello,
I'm brand new to this forum, so forgive me if I don't appear to be up to speed. But I'm wondering, from reading the postings on this topic, if you folks subscribe to the idea that the beast in Revelation, which arises from the sea, is Rome. This understanding isn't embraced by everybody who studies that document, but it is embraced by many and was, according to my understanding, embraced by many, if not practically all of the leading reformers of the 15th and 16th centuries. The sea, in prophetic scripture is understood to be a multitude, or diversity of nations, peoples and tongues, while a beast is understood to be an empire. Thus we have the Roman empire arising from a multitude of nations, peoples and tongues, which symbolism in Revelation also very nicely agrees with the 4th beast in Daniel.
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Hi Horan, and welcome to the forums.
It appears to me that you have not read through the lake of fire series. I would recommend you read through the entire series as it delves heavily into the topic you are inquiring about.
Here is the link to the beginning of the series: http://bible-truths.com/lake1.html
We can, if you are willing to recieve and believe the Word of God, show you who the beast of revelation is:
"Here is wisdom. Let him who has a mind ["OF CHRIST" ( 1Cor 2:16)] calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is the number of mankind, and its number is six hundred sixty-six." (Rev 13:18)
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men ["MANKIND"( Rev 13:18)], that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
The anti Christ sits in the temple of God and declares himself to be God, but it isn't a physical temple somewhere out there, in Jerusalem out in physical isreal, no, its the temple of your body and the throne of your heart. You ARE the temple of God.
2 Thess. 2:3 "Let no one deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [Gk: the lawless one] be revealed, the son of perdition [Gk: the one destined for destruction]. Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God [a god], or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
The man of sin, the anti Christ--the beast of revelation-- is YOU.
horan:
Thank you for your response. Actually I began exploring your site with the lake1.html file, which has been and I suspect will continue to be helpful to me for answering another question regarding what happens to the so called wicked at the 2nd resurrection in terms of the lake of fire. I suspect Mr. Smith had a good take on this. I want to believe that God, while being tough-loving, is also so stubbornly and persistently merciful that He wouldn't dream of letting a single soul slip through His fingers. But this needs to be supported by scripture. I've also encountered on this site the word, judgment, expressed as "to set things right", which is very interesting, so I suspect Mr. Smith has some things to show me. I'll study the series you've recommended in greater detail, though I suspect that making the beast of Revelation synonymous with mankind simply won't work because of the many references to it in various contexts and relations to other parts of the Revelation narrative, and messages conveyed by other Biblical prophets, as well as the multitude of minds which have studied this issue and concluded that the beast is Rome. I sense that you folks are likely intractable on this point, in much the same way that Adventists tend to be intractable regarding anything claimed by Ellen White, so I won't nourish any desire on my part to argue with you.
Dave in Tenn:
Can't ask for more than that, Horan.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Horan on September 14, 2015, 02:15:04 PM ---Thank you for your response. Actually I began exploring your site with the lake1.html file, which has been and I suspect will continue to be helpful to me for answering another question regarding what happens to the so called wicked at the 2nd resurrection in terms of the lake of fire. I suspect Mr. Smith had a good take on this. I want to believe that God, while being tough-loving, is also so stubbornly and persistently merciful that He wouldn't dream of letting a single soul slip through His fingers. But this needs to be supported by scripture. I've also encountered on this site the word, judgment, expressed as "to set things right", which is very interesting, so I suspect Mr. Smith has some things to show me. I'll study the series you've recommended in greater detail, though I suspect that making the beast of Revelation synonymous with mankind simply won't work because of the many references to it in various contexts and relations to other parts of the Revelation narrative, and messages conveyed by other Biblical prophets, as well as the multitude of minds which have studied this issue and concluded that the beast is Rome. I sense that you folks are likely intractable on this point, in much the same way that Adventists tend to be intractable regarding anything claimed by Ellen White, so I won't nourish any desire on my part to argue with you.
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God speed! :)
Kat:
Hi Horan, glad you have joined us. Well I don't consider myself intractable on this point or any point that Ray had taught, but as you will see, if you continue your study of his articles that he was meticulous in searching out all the Scripture on a subject.
Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
We have come to understand, as Ray expressed many times, that ALL Scripture must support any subject and no single Scripture is its own interpretation, but there must be at least 2 Scripture witnesses to establish a truth or doctrine.
So I hope you will give due consideration to what you read on the Bible-truths site. There are 2 articles that pay particular attention to your questions about the "beast."
Who is the Beast? - 666?
http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html
The Beast Within
http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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