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MG:
These scriptures and others like them brought me to the "falling away" that Ray talks about, but I can't get past them to say that I am in Christ without being a liar. I don't walk as Jesus did. I sin in thought, word or deed every day. I can't tame my tongue. I can't take every thought into captivity. I know that on my own I can do nothing. God has done a lot of work in me, but I still fall short. My sinful nature is always present. I've often thought that I must not have Christ in me either because all I can see is my sinful nature. O wretched man that I am! There is no good thing in me. I can't get out of Romans 7.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1John 2:3-6
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Laren:
Hi MG, i too struggle with the same things. I so badly want to be more holy, and righteous, want to love unconditionally. So sick of my sins.
But something i am starting to realize is that my flesh will never be converted. It has to be destroyed. It is the righteousness of Christ that saves us, not my righteousness or my faith. If our heart's desire is to not sin, and we despise it, that is the spirit of Christ in us. I thank God that he has opened my eyes to the ugliness of me and my sin, and am not blinded to it, trying to be righteous by self effort.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
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1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
To me there is a big difference in having "faith in Christ" versus "faith of Christ". It's all him. In my opinion, the thorn in our side until the day we die will be our flesh, to keep us humble.
jennie:
It is a hard thing to want so badly to live our lives in a Christ-like manner but fall so short. We are so painfully human and I believe we will all sin all our lives in spite of the best of intentions. The greatest thing is that the love and forgiveness of God never falls short. he always loves us just as we love our own children even when they don't behave! The love of Christ for us is more than our little minds can wrap around. The main thing is that we try . Sometimes we do better and sometimes we fall flat on our faces. That is when He picks us right up. I know this sounds simple minded but I am pretty simple minded myself! Jennie
MG:
Thank you
The scriptures in 1 John and other scriputures seem to condradict each other and that confuses me. I know I am being led by the Spirit, but I don't know what it means to live and walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
ned:
--- Quote from: MG on August 13, 2006, 09:59:06 PM ---I know I am being led by the Spirit, but I don't know what it means to live and walk in the Spirit.
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I feel the same way, last year I so wanted to know what it mean to be "spiritual". I pondered on it for weeks, because I so had the desire to know God in my heart...of course, He put that desire there, and I think what I concluded was: to be spiritual meant to DO GOD'S WILL. I'm sure there is much more to it than that, but that conclusion gave me something to consciously go on...
1Pet2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men.
1Thes4:3-4 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour..vs. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
Eph5:17 Wherefore, be ye not unwise, understand what the will of the Lord is.
1Joh2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof, but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
I pray often that I would be worthy of my calling, and each time when I have done the Lord's will, I feel "spiritual". For all the times I live for my flesh and do my own will....I (hopefully) right away know it, God convicts my heart, and all I can do is pray the next time I will submit to Him and do His will instead.
Peace to you all.
Marie
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