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Losing the Holy Spirit
Kat:
Rick, I think you are missing the point here. Yes salvation is assured for everybody eventually, but the believers of THIS age are in hopes of the "first resurrection." I know this is predetermined by God, of course the sovereign God has chosen those that will be powerful spiritual servants with Christ in His reign on earth... we all are well aware of that. But there is a very big difference which resurrection one is in, glorious eonian life is what all believers in Christ hope for, the first resurrection. So Alex had a legitimate question, can one having their eyes opened and the Spirit indwelling, lose that? Apparently so.
2Peter 3:17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
You seem to be saying 'so what' we'll all still receive salvation eventually. Yes that is true, but we have our eyes opened to the truth, we have tasted of the good things of the kingdom, why would we just sit back and not even care if we missed out on the greatness thing a human being could ever hope to attain? I know it's not up to us, but I do believe the attitude of desiring the kingdom above all else, shows God Spirit is indeed at work in a person.
Matt 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
We should greatly desire to be one of His sheep... how great would the disappointment be to find yourself among the unjust/goats at resurrection.
Mat 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
v. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
What I'm saying is that we should care, a lot, and no not worry, but striving and running hard in the race as Paul spoke of... the opposite of just being lackadaisical about it all.
Php 1:27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
Luke 13:24 "Strive(G75) to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
G75 Strive agōnizomai - to struggle, literally (to compete for a prize), figuratively (to contend with an adversary), or generally (to endeavor to accomplish something): - fight, labor fervently, strive.
So being here among other believers with the same hopes of the kingdom, we should be encouraging one another to stand firm in the truths we are learning, first and foremost seek the kingdom, the narrow gate, the prize above all prizes. To Paul all of his suffering, and there was a lot, was well worth it to him, he certainly made it through that narrow gate and so can we, God willing.
1Cor 2:9 But as it is written, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard," nor has it entered into the heart of man, "the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
Psa 31:19 Oh, how great is Your goodness, Which You have laid up for those who fear You, Which You have prepared for those who trust in You In the presence of the sons of men!
Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
mercy, peace and love
Kat
lilitalienboi16:
Hi Rick, and to anyone who may have miss understood my post,
Kat understood what I was searching out so read her post as she said what I did not feel like posting. Hopefuly her replies and my original post will clear up any confusion.
God bless,
Alex
Mortemir:
Great subject Alex and a good answer Kat.
It really got my mind to think. Will you ever now that you don't have it anymore? I just think about myself. I have so many errors and it feels impossible to fix ( even though it is not impossible for God). I will always have the belief, but what if believing is not enough. I have always thought, when you read the bible you have to suffer in this life. Then i think, what do i need to suffer? Yes one of the things is that you believe in something that almost no one on this earth believes, but everyone who believes have a individual suffering. Only Gods knows the outcome.
rick:
--- Quote from: Kat on October 08, 2015, 10:39:44 AM ---
Rick, I think you are missing the point here.
--- End quote ---
Hi Kat,
I don’t believe I misunderstood what Alex was getting at, and I certainly am not saying well God is going to save all so why care.
I believe in the sovereignty of God is what I’m saying Kat, I can wish to be one of the elect all I want but its Gods choice if I am, now, there is nothing about me that would cause God to choose me.
God has predetermined who will be one of the elect according to His purpose. We all start off with the carnal mind, hatred against God, its impossible for anyone to say on any given day of the week, gee I think I will believe in God while under the influence of the carnal mind.
God must somehow convince us to believe in Him, afterwards He must get the truth to us, the real truth not Christendom’s truth and then get us to believe it.
Now of course this is not a difficult thing for God to do, but we should always remember its God who called us and its God who leads us and its God who chooses us, we do not have the ability to make an uncaused choice so God will provide all the circumstances in our life that will cause His to choose each choice that leads to life or the first resurrection.
I cannot change a single hair on my head white or black nor do I know what one hour from now holds in store for me and I certainty cannot save myself from myself, I can’t even trust God to save me unless He lets me trust Him to save me.
There are two things I know and that is deep in my own soul there is something not right about me and two God will save me from myself, that’s all God can save me from which is me, the man of sin.
I trust God that much because He has cause me to trust in Him, to rest in Him and to except what ever His will and purpose is for me, when I think about being an elect of God I say great my next question is what is my motive for wanting to be an elect ?
That is a very important question for me to answer to myself because the carnal mind wants the very best for itself, things such as power, the kind of power Gods elect will have, things like glory, the kind of glory Gods elect will have.
The human heart is deceitful above all things, I have no choice except to trust God for my life, I guess that is what I mean Kat.
I say its where God has me, where God wants me, where I must be not that I always want to be where I’m at but its better than being no place at all without God.
I said it long ago on this forum and I still believe it now, I am the least of you all. :)
Kat:
That's good Rick, you have assurance about God's sovereignty... I think we all do here, to me it seems a rather basic fundamental concept for believers. i can see that no free will and all is caused is a harder concept to grasp. I only know you by what you post and so I react just to that, we certainly do not know that much about one another here and it's easy to misinterpret what somebody is trying to say.
It seems strange to me that you would question your motive for being chosen as one of the few... the power and glory the elect will receive to reign with Christ will be guided by the Holy Spirit in full measure, as Christ has, not by the deceitfulness of a carnal heart.
Yes God brings up to where we are at any given time, but we don't remain there, we continue to grow in understanding and progress forward. If we are waiting on God to cause us to progress, it almost seems like an excuse to me, maybe I'm reading you wrong on this, it just an opinion. I think of what Christ said about getting to comfortable resting too much on our laurels, so to speak.
Rev 3:15 "'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!
v. 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
This might not be you at all, but it's worth bringing to the discussion as a reminder to us all. God wants us to be "hot," full of zeal and earnestness about this calling, I believe that is an attitude of being eager to move forward. Anyway I hope this is encouraging, as it is meant to be to one and all.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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