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lareli:

--- Quote from: Shechiyn on December 20, 2015, 06:59:16 AM ---Do you "tell it like it is?"
Do you call a "spade a spade?"
Are you "as bold as a lion?"

I read about Jesus and notice he was a straight forward man,didn't mince his words whatsoever.Even to his brothers he told it like it is.Remember:

Matt 16:23 "But he turned and said to Peter,get behind me Satan!"

Imagine saying that to a friend of yours.Or better yet,remember:

Matt 12:48 "..who is my mother and who are my brothers?"
Matt 12:49 "..He stretched out his hand toward his desciples and said,here is my mother and brothers"

Imagine saying that to your blood parents,or blood family.That takes guts-or rather,faith!

Do you sometimes tell it like it is when you are around your acquaintances and family?When your family member does something wrong,do you say,"hey,that is wrong,don't do that.”

Luke 13:32 "Go tell that fox.."

Imagine calling the president that?

Do you sometimes "sit against the fence?"

Currently i am developing a relationship with this christian,and he likes teaching me.And I have been sitting against the fence,not debating him,not arguing with him.Just listening to him.And he actually thinks I am agreeing with him every time he shares his wisdom with me.Funny thing is:Jesus tends to make me run into him frequently,which I tend to laugh about -we just tend to run into each other.Then he goes on and on and on..teaching me,whilst I keep quiet.

His reaction is going to be interesting the day I open my mouth-the day i "tell it like it is."

Had a conversation with a relative of mine the other day,told her:"God created evil and he uses it."
Whoa!It didn't end well!

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I would check my motive before I "open my mouth and tell it like it is".

I know my own heart when I'm in similar situations as you've described here. I have to pause and check my attitude and motives. I could very naturally just let this person talk, talk, talk while each time I am putting his words in my back pocket to use as ammo at just the right moment.. When I decide to let him have it so to speak.

In this case what are my motives? Just to hit him in the face with some truth that he wasn't asking for? Self righteous and prideful. Arrogant I can be when contemplating "telling it like it is" to someone whom I really doubt is seeking truth in the first place. If he were seeking truth then perhaps he would be asking questions or initiating a mutual conversation instead of trying to teach me.

Just this last weekend in church service the pastor in his sermon says people shouldn't attempt to preach about something unless they can point to 5 or 6 places in the bible that clearly support what they're preaching.. In the same sermon he stated with absolute conviction multiple times that he doesn't believe in 'fate or destiny'.  Which is to say he was preaching free will.

I had the thought of firing off an email to him to "tell it like it is" and ask him for 5 or 6 places in the bible where he can back up his words. Would it be wrong to do this? Wouldn't I be refuting those that contradict, just like Ray? I dunno. But I don't trust my motives or my heart yet at this point in my maturing process. Maybe this is a bad example and maybe by not emailing him I am 'shrinking back' which displeases The Lord.

Kat:

--- Quote from: Shechiyn on December 22, 2015, 10:35:34 PM ---To "surmise to a degree,"I think when he said "let the dead bury their own dead," he was rather mild.Then again whether he was mild or not,I think those words stung the man who wanted to bury his father.

When he referred to the woman as a "dog," I think he was mild too.

But,when he said to peter,"get behind me Satan," I don't think He was mild.

Can you imagine what the man did after hearing Jesus tell him,"let the dead bury the dead."He possibly went to his friends and said,"whoa,guys.You know that guy,Jesus,with miraculous powers?He told me to let the dead people bury the dead."
His friends could've replied:"aahg,leave that Jesus,He is crazy."

After all,his family did think he was crazy.

How we speak may make a difference,at times it may not make a difference.

we live in a world were people get offended,regardless of whichever tone one uses.
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In all these instances you gave His disciples were within ear shot to hear what He was saying, therefore it is recorded. But did anybody, even His disciples at the time, understand what He was talking about? I don't think so. Well why did He make these kinds of comments?

John 14:26  But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Only later when they reflected on the things that He had said did the Holy Spirit show them the spirit of those words and so it is for us today, we have all the NT for instruction. Now somebody like Ray was given a specific mission to expose the church, which he did quite well, I don't feel like that's for everybody to do... so as for me, I have no desire to try an appear astute to the world, but that's just me.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

CEO:
Hi

Maybe Jesus was not so direct with his comments.  Jn 16:25 " These things I have spoken to you in figurative language, an hour is coming when I will speak to you no more in figurative language, but will tell you plainly about the Father."

Askseeknock

Charles O

Nelson Boils:
"Maybe Jesus was not direct with his comments." What is that supposed to mean?

Job 6:25 "How painful are honest words."

Check out the forwardness of Paul:

Galatians 3:1"You foolish Galatians!"(NET)

arion:

--- Quote from: Shechiyn on December 24, 2015, 11:03:32 PM ---"Maybe Jesus was not direct with his comments." What is that supposed to mean?
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First witness

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Second witness

Mat 13:34  All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:


Third witness

Mar 4:34  But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


Christ was not direct at all with his comments.  His words were spirit and not carnal.  In other words the real meaning behind what he was saying was most often not the direct meaning.  At times the Pharisees and Sadducees were sharp enough to pick up that when Jesus spoke some of his parables that he was talking about them but most of the time it went right over his heads as well as his disciples heads.  Spend some more time in Ray's teachings here because he addresses this many times and in many ways.  The things Christ both spoke and taught went far deeper than the surface meanings of the words themselves.

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