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Nelson Boils:
Was Christ "indirect?"
Was Christ "indirectly" calling Caesar a "fox?"
Was Christ "indirectly" calling the woman a "dog"
Was Paul "indirectly" calling the Galatians "fools?"
Was Paul "indirectly" calling the Corinthians "carnal?"
Are the words, "indirect" and "spirit," synonymous?
Are the words, "indirect" and "parable," synonymous?

Suppose i'll "spend more time" on Ray's teachings.

octoberose:
I was thinking along the same lines as Arion. Parables were not to be taken literally and their meaning was revealed over time to those who had no initial understanding. And Kat is very correct when she says Jesus knew what was in the heart of a man and we do not so we need to be careful.
  Christ actually hid quite a bit.  We have no reason to think anyone but his earthly parents and John the Baptists parents had any inkling who Jesus was the first 30 years of his life.  He had to have been very careful what he said because the time had not yet come for him to reveal himself.

octoberose:
Okay, well some shepherds and men from the east had some idea that baby was pretty special.  :)

cjwood:

--- Quote from: Shechiyn ---
Had a conversation with a relative of mine the other day,told her:"God created evil and he uses it."
Whoa!It didn't end well!



--- End quote ---


this statement made me laugh out loud!   ;D
i know the feeling.

claudia

Nelson Boils:
Hey arion

Took your advice and read more of Ray's material,found some interesting quotes:

"WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken DIRECTLY to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God’s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE."

"Jesus told the truth. Jesus called a spade a spade. And many people thought He was a contemptuous smart aleck! He was not. It was the Truth of His words that cut them; not just the tone of His voice. However, the tone of His voice and the selection of words and analogies that He used were not only highly offensive to those to whom He spoke, but are likewise offensive to people hearing this same approach used today by God’s servants. It is unscriptural foolishness to retort that, "Well, YOU ARE NOT Jesus!" Oh really? And what happened to,

"…because AS He [Jesus] is, SO ARE WE in this world" (I John 4:17),

and

"Let this MIND be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 2:5)?"

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