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BIBLICAL FIGURES OF SPEECH LITERAL OR SYMBOLIC?
Jeff:
I've wondered about the creation in which we exist in relation to our Creator and there is an obvious connection between the two but I've wondered in what way? I've been re-reading some of Ray's email responses regarding evolution and I thought about the ever-present worldly battle between science and religion and it occurred to me that neither side can see the forest.
Science pitted against religion and vice-versa makes absolutely no sense.
Religion is man's device and science is something that God created when He made the universe. The comparison doesn't work and it's because neither camp understands the things we've learned from God through Ray's teachings. And I'm sure that's nothing compared to who He really is.
Anyway, regarding what Kat wrote about the difficulty we have understanding God in the way He actually exists, is something I hope will be revealed. Ray wrote that he understood something about this but was challenged in finding a way to show it in Scripture as opposed to just explaining it. Ray also said that he didn't see God as a being because He can't be contained. We're so limited in what we can understand without God revealing it to us. We can't compare it to anything.
Physics and especially Quantum Physics is constantly changing our perception of the universe at an amazing rate.
There's a theory that has to do with the physical structure of our universe. After discovering subatomic particles scientists realized that while atoms are physical - what they're made of is likely not. They seem to be made up of swirling vortexes of energy - which from that perspective means that we're creatures (as is all of creation) made of energy and vibration.
A physicist by the name of Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine." (And that was way back in the first half of the previous century)
I couldn't help but think - Spirit. :)
Dave in Tenn:
I've had the same thoughts, Jeff. It covers a lot of ground for me, scripturally. I don't know that we are 'right', but if we aren't then the truth is MORE wonderful, not less.
Kat:
--- Quote from: Jeff on January 04, 2016, 08:38:43 PM ---
There's a theory that has to do with the physical structure of our universe. After discovering subatomic particles scientists realized that while atoms are physical - what they're made of is likely not. They seem to be made up of swirling vortexes of energy - which from that perspective means that we're creatures (as is all of creation) made of energy and vibration.
A physicist by the name of Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine." (And that was way back in the first half of the previous century)
I couldn't help but think - Spirit. :)
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Well doesn't that just figure, that it really does come down to spirit. Maybe that what this Scripture means.
Col 1:17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (NKJV)
Col 1:17 and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him. (CLV)
Col 1:17 And, He, is before all, and, they all, in Him, hold together; (Rotherham)
--- Quote ---Anyway, regarding what Kat wrote about the difficulty we have understanding God in the way He actually exists, is something I hope will be revealed. Ray wrote that he understood something about this but was challenged in finding a way to show it in Scripture as opposed to just explaining it. Ray also said that he didn't see God as a being because He can't be contained. We're so limited in what we can understand without God revealing it to us. We can't compare it to anything.
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I think that truth, in every aspect, certainly is being revealed here by putting together all the little bits and pieces we are bringing out here from our studies.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little."
This little unity we have here is such a blessing. We have those newly having their eyes opened, to those who have been here for years and God is here to give knowledge of the truth to each of us as we grow and He sees fit.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Just a qualifier.
I'm not hanging my faith on any existing (or yet to exist) theory in quantum physics. Scripture tells me to look at 'creation' if I want to 'see' the qualities of God. This process is multi-faceted and endless.
Rom 1:20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.
We had a memorable (to me) discussion several years back where everybody was invited to say what they thought Spirit was. Every answer was different, and every answer beautiful in it's own way. And even more sweetly, nobody tried to enforce or force their own thoughts on anybody else.
It's OK with me whatever anyone thinks, provided they don't assign character-traits to God which demean Him or cause the nations to blaspheme. Even those two, however, are within the plan of God and I won't argue long with anybody who does those.
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on January 05, 2016, 02:05:47 AM ---I've had the same thoughts, Jeff. It covers a lot of ground for me, scripturally. I don't know that we are 'right', but if we aren't then the truth is MORE wonderful, not less.
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Very true Dave. We just don't know much. I think that no matter what we'll eventually "know" we're going to be flat on our spiritual faces trembling in pure awe.
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