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BIBLICAL FIGURES OF SPEECH LITERAL OR SYMBOLIC?
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Jeff on January 11, 2016, 10:21:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on January 09, 2016, 01:57:31 PM ---I didn't take it that you were, Jeff. Yes, all the things we see reveal what God is 'like' in some way, no matter how simple or profound.
Spirit is likened to 'wind' often. Indeed, the word itself is strongly related to 'wind'. Yet is a hurricane the 'same' as a gentle breeze? There are many things about 'wind' that can teach us about God without God 'being' the wind He created. On the other hand, is the creation so separate from the Creator? I don't think Ray thought so, and neither do I. He gave it (and us) attributes of Himself, and "in Him we live, and move, and are."
Surely we are allowed (and I think we're encouraged) to look deeply into creation, to 'see' "His eternal power and Godhead." But as you said, what we think of as 'knowledge' in some fields is out of date almost as soon as it's 'published'. And each new 'knowledge' seems mostly to form new questions. That's why I remain full of wonder and not ready to stake a full claim to any claim.
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No, I know you weren't addressing that to me, Dave. I just realized that a disclaimer of my own would be a good thing. I wonder why we're all scattered so far apart? This method of communication actually works really well here, when compared to so many communication failures I've experienced in the past 15 years, beginning when the world descended into digital madness. I imagine it's because God led us here, and we're of like mind, but still it's curious that we're in a variety of llocations. Fairly well spread out. I like to believe there's a reason and a purpose in that. I'm in Minneapolis but it seems as though there are more in the southeast US, or is that not right. It's nice that its in Europe and possibly other locations globally.
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Matthew 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Zecheriah 13:7-9 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
1 Peter 1:1-2
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
God bless,
Alex
Kat:
--- Quote from: Jeff on January 11, 2016, 10:21:52 PM ---No, I know you weren't addressing that to me, Dave. I just realized that a disclaimer of my own would be a good thing. I wonder why we're all scattered so far apart? This method of communication actually works really well here, when compared to so many communication failures I've experienced in the past 15 years, beginning when the world descended into digital madness. I imagine it's because God led us here, and we're of like mind, but still it's curious that we're in a variety of locations. Fairly well spread out. I like to believe there's a reason and a purpose in that. I'm in Minneapolis but it seems as though there are more in the southeast US, or is that not right. It's nice that its in Europe and possibly other locations globally.
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Hi Jeff, we are indeed spread out... even with the very first generation of believers they had to begin to spread out rather quickly because of persecution. We just don't know about the believers through the centuries, but if their had been large groups of them, then there could have been some sort of record left, but there is nothing that we know of. And now we certainly are spread out, kind of sprinkled around the world it seems.
In thinking about why would this need to be, for one thing, we certainly cannot judge one another by appearance this way. Here we have the bare bones of discussion and nothing physical to influence or possibly to get in the way of that. We humans have a tendency to make assumptions about people from how they present themselves, by the way they look or talk or their mannerisms... we can be very judgmental. This way certainly eliminates that, don't you think? So we only have people's words to go by here, but that does say a lot about a person.
Here is another idea, well more of a speculation. In the resurrection I wonder if when the elect are given authority over cities (Luke 19), will those cities be in areas where they once lived, hence they would be from all areas of the world? I mean I can see how that could be a benefit for them.
Now I don't think that an elect would need to know the lay of the land or how to get around town, that's not what I mean... those raised up from centuries past would not even recognize their towns anyway. But still knowing the customs, culture or even religions of the people would seem to be helpful in dealing with those people. Just a thought about the next age and how thing from this life will probably play a part it things then.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Joel:
Hi Kat,
Jesus alluded to some of the things your are saying recorded in a few verses in Luke 22:28-30.
28-Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29-And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me:
30-That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Joel
Kat:
Hi Joel, now that you mention it, that is right. Jesus told the Apostles that they would judge the 12 tribes, which were their ancestors which were from the same area they were living in. Thanks for added that, I find it's just interesting.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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