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BIBLICAL FIGURES OF SPEECH LITERAL OR SYMBOLIC?
dave:
Yeah ;D been on my mind awhile :) Thanks
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on January 05, 2016, 01:24:13 PM ---Just a qualifier.
I'm not hanging my faith on any existing (or yet to exist) theory in quantum physics. Scripture tells me to look at 'creation' if I want to 'see' the qualities of God. This process is multi-faceted and endless.
Rom 1:20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.
We had a memorable (to me) discussion several years back where everybody was invited to say what they thought Spirit was. Every answer was different, and every answer beautiful in it's own way. And even more sweetly, nobody tried to enforce or force their own thoughts on anybody else.
It's OK with me whatever anyone thinks, provided they don't assign character-traits to God which demean Him or cause the nations to blaspheme. Even those two, however, are within the plan of God and I won't argue long with anybody who does those.
--- End quote ---
I didn't mean to suggest that God is any of things I described. I don't think that God is energy, I think He created energy. The quote I found just reminded me of Spirit (or better yet - spirit). God is infinitely superior to anything He has created .
I think that my understanding of my Creator is feeble and flawed and without merit. Whatever I might understand, at any point, is only because God wants me to understand. The rest is just foolishness.
Dave in Tenn:
I didn't take it that you were, Jeff. Yes, all the things we see reveal what God is 'like' in some way, no matter how simple or profound.
Spirit is likened to 'wind' often. Indeed, the word itself is strongly related to 'wind'. Yet is a hurricane the 'same' as a gentle breeze? There are many things about 'wind' that can teach us about God without God 'being' the wind He created. On the other hand, is the creation so separate from the Creator? I don't think Ray thought so, and neither do I. He gave it (and us) attributes of Himself, and "in Him we live, and move, and are."
Surely we are allowed (and I think we're encouraged) to look deeply into creation, to 'see' "His eternal power and Godhead." But as you said, what we think of as 'knowledge' in some fields is out of date almost as soon as it's 'published'. And each new 'knowledge' seems mostly to form new questions. That's why I remain full of wonder and not ready to stake a full claim to any claim.
cjwood:
--- Quote from: octoberose on January 04, 2016, 08:00:51 PM ---
I think about that in my fiery trials. Am I walking around moaning and groaning and 'smelling like smoke?" .
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rose, your post made me sit up and take notice. especially the part i bolded above. those words opened my eyes up really big. truly something for me to mediate on.
thanks sister,
claudia
Jeff:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on January 09, 2016, 01:57:31 PM ---I didn't take it that you were, Jeff. Yes, all the things we see reveal what God is 'like' in some way, no matter how simple or profound.
Spirit is likened to 'wind' often. Indeed, the word itself is strongly related to 'wind'. Yet is a hurricane the 'same' as a gentle breeze? There are many things about 'wind' that can teach us about God without God 'being' the wind He created. On the other hand, is the creation so separate from the Creator? I don't think Ray thought so, and neither do I. He gave it (and us) attributes of Himself, and "in Him we live, and move, and are."
Surely we are allowed (and I think we're encouraged) to look deeply into creation, to 'see' "His eternal power and Godhead." But as you said, what we think of as 'knowledge' in some fields is out of date almost as soon as it's 'published'. And each new 'knowledge' seems mostly to form new questions. That's why I remain full of wonder and not ready to stake a full claim to any claim.
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No, I know you weren't addressing that to me, Dave. I just realized that a disclaimer of my own would be a good thing. I wonder why we're all scattered so far apart? This method of communication actually works really well here, when compared to so many communication failures I've experienced in the past 15 years, beginning when the world descended into digital madness. I imagine it's because God led us here, and we're of like mind, but still it's curious that we're in a variety of llocations. Fairly well spread out. I like to believe there's a reason and a purpose in that. I'm in Minneapolis but it seems as though there are more in the southeast US, or is that not right. It's nice that its in Europe and possibly other locations globally.
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