I'm going to share a few emails from ray on 'keeping the sabbeth' because its very similar to the idea of 'keeping a fast.' Its another physical carnal outward display of the flesh. The very man such things the pharisees loved to do and which Jesus called them dead on the inside for. There are many many more emails that you can look up on this forum about the sabbeth. I just picked the first three that came up.
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http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3497.msg26121.html#msg26121 Hi Ray¸
Should we work on Saturdays? Is it wrong to work on the Sabbath?
COMMENT: It is wrong to do OUR spiritual works ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. That is what the Sabbath is to teach us. We are NOT to do our works, but let God work IN US on every day of the week, not just the seventh. Keeping the physical weekly Sabbath is for those who have not yet come to obey the SPIRITUAL Sabbath of God's rest (Heb. 4:3-4). Once a Gentile is circumcised in his heart and spirit it is not necessary to be PHYSICAL circumcised in his flesh, Etc.
Chris
P.S Sorry to be pedantic [,] but you have been pluralising [that's 'pluralizing,' Chris...JUST KIDDING!] words with apostrophes on your site!
COMMENT: That is a typo, I assure you, and not done consciously. I sometimes type "who's" instead of "whose," and many such stupid errors. It's a case of early Alzheimer.
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Johan: You close by stating that you hope I will not take your email as an attack on me. I assure you I won't, and I likewise hope that you do not take my admonition as an attack on you. Your email is too long, but I will make a few COMMENTS in it........
Hi Ray,
Thank you for your site! I benefited a lot, and I’ve spent hours and days reading and agreeing, and learning! I think you’re one of the very few childen of God that really knows his bible – and that’s the way it should be for every true child of God!
I absolutely agree with you on almost everything!, but I’d like to know how you can get past the Sabbath?
How do you spiritualize away the Sabbath?
COMMENT: I do NOT "spiritual away the Sabbath." Besides, if something is "spiritualized" it will not go away, seeing that the natural is temporary, but the spiritual is lasting (II Cor. 4:18).
How do you spiritually do all your work in six days and spiritually rest on the seventh?-
COMMENT: Your statements proves that you do not understand the "spiritual rest" of the Sabbath day at all. The Sabbath pictures rest (actually and literally to "stop working"). What good is the physical sabbath for people who NEVER stop working. Not only do they do their "works of the law" during the week, but they actually do their "works of the law" on the Sabbath which pictures them STOPPING THEIR OWN WORKS! When you do you "work of the law" by KEEPING the physical Sabbath, you BREAK the spirit of the Sabbath which is to STOP YOUR WORKING AND LET GOD WORK IN YOU.
Therefore, when people as me if I keep the Sabbath I always answer by saying, "YES, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK." As long as you are doing YOUR work on the Sabbath, you will never "ENTER INTO GOD'S REST" (Heb. 4).
I believe the LUNAR SABBATH should be kept.
COMMENT: You are not alone, Johan. Paul had many people who rejected the Gospel by being the same thing: "Ye observe days and months [month means MOON], and times, and years (Gal. 4:10). Paul could no more persuade them in his day to give up the physical and obey the spiritual (John 6:63), than I am able today. If people can't DO SOMETHING PHYSICAL THEY DON'T FEEL SPIRITUAL. That's just the way it is. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON [as you are now trying to instruct me as necessary], or of the SABBATH DAYS [as you are also accusing me of 'spiritualizing away the Sabbath']" (Col. 2:16).
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http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,732.msg5604.html#msg5604Dear Bob: You topic is an interesting one, but however, one entirely too big to answer in any detail in an email--it would take days to answer thoroughly.
Suffice it to say:
1. Jesus did NOT keep the Sabbath. He taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath because that is the time that everyone was gathered together, not because Jesus wanted to "keep" the sabbath day. Jesus healed and commanded to carry a bed on the Sabbath which was against the law of Moses. Neither did Jesus' disciples observe the sabbath according to Moses. Jesus did not deny breaking the sabbath in Matt. 12. He showed that His breaking of the sabbath was NOT A SIN. He used David and the Priests to substantiate His claim, plus the much greater reason being that Jesus Himself was Lord of the Sabbath.
2. Jesus did not keep the Annual Holy Days. Jesus did not eat the passover on the eve of Nisan 15, but rather they ate a supper on the eve of Nisan 14. Jesus was crucified late afternoon before the 15th just as the passover lambs were being killed--of ocurse, Jesus WAS the True Passover Lamb. "THAT sabbath was an HIGH DAY" we are told. The weekly sabbath was also the Passover and first day of Unleavened bread which is always an Holy Sabbath Day.
Jesus didn't keep the Feast of Pentecost or Trumpets, or Atonement--Jesus IS our Atonement. Jesus said that He and His disciples wouldn't fast during His ministry. Jesus did not keep the Feast of Tabernacles. The made no temporary booths in which to live for seven days. Jesus sent His disciples up to the feast, but He stayed back. He went up later in the feast to TEACH, not to keep the feast. Etc.
3. There is nothing physical that will make you spiritual. The Sabbath has a spiritual fulfillment. It is a rest that we enter into with God. When we have the real thing, we no longer need to be observing the shadow or type of the REAL THING, which is CHIRST.
God be with you,
Ray
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We are HIS workmanship, and it is the faith OF Jesus that lives in us. We are not our own works, we don't even provide the faith aspects, its ALL OF GOD. Saved by Grace through faith which are both gifts from God. No need to physically starve yourself.
Hebrews 4:2-10
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
God is mighty to save, He won't fail, just stay calm and wait upon the Lord. Its all in His time and at the appointed season.
God bless,
Alex