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Temptation
Mike Gagne:
Ok let me say it different, I know in may heart to think on it really makes me guilty so do I need to actually do it? Cant I stop it right there, right after it comes out of my heart? Why must I actually do it, isn't it sin when I thought about It?
Wittenberg:
The pharisee sinned by hating Jesus, yet they needed to put him to death to complete the sacrifice. I too sin in my heart but I also sin in outwardly ways, same as anyone.
God uses your outward sin to bless you and others, maybe not today but someday. I've said this before on this forum, in the age to come our sin against others will bind us as a body of Christ in forgiveness. The people I have sinned against will forgive me someday, if not already. Because of their forgiveness I will have love for them for eternity. Where there is much forgiveness there is much love....
Today's sin will be a source of love and forgiveness for the rest of time. I understand it's frustrating and embarrassing to be such a sinner, I am amazing at sinning. But someday we will all be thankful and blessed by it. God made no mistake in the garden of Eden.
Mike Gagne:
Hi Wittenberg, yes, but then I am cautious to agree
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
What do I do with those scriptures?
I know that my flesh will always want to sin, but Paul kept his body under subjection.
Romans 6:18-19 (KJV)
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Did Paul keep his flesh under subjection By judgement? I think so.
Romans 6:14 (KJV)
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Galatians 5:1 (KJV)
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Psalms 119:32 (KJV)
32 I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.
Did Paul or the other apostle continue in sin? Did they keep doing the things they didn't want to do? Or did they Over come? Was Peter really free when he said this?
1 Peter 2:16 (KJV)
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
The reason for all this is because it seems since coming out of Babylon I have been going a little backwards! If ever other person around me is immoral and doing those things how can I do those things and think I am different? I know that I am in judgement and I am learning righteousness, but must I actually do the sin that comes out of my heart? Or is it even sin to me??
Mike Gagne:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 06, 2016, 07:58:22 PM ---It isn't a question, to me, of sinning or not sinning as if it is all in or all out. Remember what Ray taught from the Revelation. A third of the trees were killed. A third of the waters. Etc. No, we are not going to be 100% free of sin (especially when we remember that sin is in the heart before it ever becomes a deed--IF ever). Those who overcome do so in increments. Do I think the woman taken in adultery never sinned again? No...but I can believe she never again committed adultery.
We can reach a point where sin no longer has dominion over us. While I also have not met a person who does NO sin, I can at least imagine a time in my own life when sin doesn't have dominion, but is a slip, a weakness in a hard moment, a failing, a remnant of ignorance, or unwillingness. Not all sin is willful. Enough of mine ARE that I cannot say sin has no dominion over me, but life isn't over yet. Paul said it of himself at the end of his life.
This 'sin' that reigns in our members--the one that goes against our will--this weakness, mistakes, failures, etc--will be gone when these bodies are changed in Resurrection at His appearing. Then we will be like Him, if He has chosen us for that then. Until then, we have the down-payment of His spirit. Or not.
--- End quote ---
Really good point Dave I had to reread it yes I now remember what LRay said on it. I will go back and read that again!
Wittenberg:
Dave's point is very cool and on point. Regarding the verses you bring up, obviously I agree. Like Ray said, salvation is more than saying a prayer it's an impossible process, impossible without God. Sin can not be in God's presence, all men sin. Someday, no man will sin.
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