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1 Cor 15:51
Kat:
--- Quote from: AK4 on March 09, 2016, 01:53:20 AM ---Another thought is...those who are that generation (generation as in those who are the ones who witness and prove that 1 cor 15:51 is true)...their thoughts. Oh their thoughts...
Anthony
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Oh we do have some of their thoughts Anthony, I do not think the world will be happy when Christ appears, it will not be what the Christian world expects and it appears that they will be terrified.
Luke 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
v. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
And the wicked will have much to fear as none will escape His judgment.
Mal 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this," Says the LORD of hosts.
But it is certainly not all bad...
Mal 4:2 But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Mike Gagne:
Hi Anthony, I don"t think anyones family members will receive a free ride through us!
--- Quote ---Yes these are definitely the elect. I think i see clues with also their immediate family but nothing concrete
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2 Timothy 3:9 (KJV)
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
it clearly says everyman/women
R.P and Joy...
Dave in Tenn:
I don't want to argue. Much of what has been shared seems or sounds true. But I want to interject another thought or two.
The whole of creation is groaning for the unveiling of the sons of God.
I want to tie-in some of these quoted scriptures to what I hope is our shared experience. When Christ came to me (as lost a sheep as ever was one) that night I stumbled onto B-T, I was happy. I wasn't just happy for the "world", I was happy for myself. It is difficult for me to accept that the world will not be happy when He appears. They are groaning for Him, have suffered through substitutes, been lied to and caused to fear. I certainly had. There are few in the world more "reprobate" than I was. You don't want to live in a world that is worse than me.
I know that there is a 'fearful looking forward to' of judgement for those sinning willfully. But I want to contrast that with a well-earned knowledge that even the worst of us (at least in many instances) are unhappy (to say the least) with their lives. They are trapped and know no better. They are weak and can do no better. Yet they know that there IS better, and continue to believe it even when preachers have declared the failure of the One who brings light--unless you join the club. No rational, thinking, feeling adult person can bring him/herself to join the club.
People who know OF Jesus tend to admire Jesus. But they don't admire the ones who claim His name because of their hypocrisy and seriously flawed message. They look for those who are "like Him".
So here's the way I read:
...until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Pretty vivid picture. Things are bad. Real bad. And they wonder what's coming next.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
When things are that bad, and they REALLY get to groaning hard for the unveiling of the sons of God, THEN shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. I don't think He BRINGS WITH HIM the things in 21:25, 26. I think He saves FROM them, as well as from all the things He mentioned in previous verses (and then some). Believers and doers will lift up their heads (salvation is especially for those who believe), though the rest may be confused for a time (as was I) until their fears are relieved. A "son of God" helped me tremendously with that, and still does. Name was Ray Smith.
Saddam and Hitler will have an easier time in Judgement than Hagee (unless he repents) and Kennedy. They will be among the ones most unhappy at His appearing when His light shines on them. But it will only be for a season.
All I can tell you is my experience, and the way I 'read', putting 2 and 2 together. I'm not pushing an eschatology.
zvezda:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on March 09, 2016, 12:39:57 PM ---
When things are that bad, and they REALLY get to groaning hard for the unveiling of the sons of God, THEN shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. I don't think He BRINGS WITH HIM the things in 21:25, 26. I think He saves FROM them. Believers and doers will lift up their heads (salvation is especially for those who believe), though the rest may be confused for a time (as was I) until their fears are relieved.
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Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
The elect will hide in their "chambers" until His wrath has passed, sort of like Noah and his family hiding in the ark.
They only need to hide for a little moment, so I am guessing the things in Luke 21:25, 26 won't take too long.
Mike Gagne:
Hi Dave, I agree totally, It will be easier for the drug addict that had a life time of pain and suffering then for the millionaire who had a lifetime of comfort, and I say that with caution because money does"t buy happiness! They All are moaning and groaning as we speak!! This scripture keeps coming to my mind...
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last:
Matthew 21:31 (KJV)
31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
I am not to happy with the life I lived and like you said I don"t think there is many who done the things I have done. But knowing the truth has certainly brought comfort to me and I am sure the rest at their time it will be no different for them!
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