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Occultist symbols?
lareli:
Dave pointed out that Ray wrote..
".... we seriously have to ask ourselves..." why sacrifice a sacrifice to a huge stone owl and why do these same people belong to other secret societies such as skull and bones, Freemasons, illuminate, etc.
Ray told all of his readers to ask these questions.
Discouraging discussion on the topic goes against what Ray told his readers to do and so we shouldn't be afraid to discuss the fact that our news, entertainment, politics, religion, law... Really our society and world view is shaped by people who belong to occult secret societies.
There's a great line in the movie The Truman Show...
Interviewer: " why do you think Truman has never come close to discovering the true nature of his world until now?"
Producer: "we accept the reality of the world with which we are presented. It's as simple as that. "
The truth sets us free , but not if we refuse to look at it. I don't need to know the ins and outs of these secret societies and I don't need to try and speculate what they're up to. Just learning that they exist and acknowledging that my world views and many of my beliefs and opinions have been shaped by these people, has freed me from continuing to believe some of those world views/beliefs/opinions. If I had never known about this stuff then I would still be influenced and deceived by... "the reality of the world with which I am presented. "
Dave in Tenn:
I feel thoroughly preached to now. :)
I want to point out a couple of things. The 'signs of the zodiac' in European tradition are not the same signs of the "zodiac" in Chinese and other Asian traditions even though, both being in the northern Hemisphere, 'we' see the same stars. Are constellations objects, or interpretations in the minds of those who first imagined and codified them? THAT is the "heavenlies" that Ray taught from Scripture where we are at war. Our minds.
It is far and away NOT the truth that the rulers in our societies are the sole repositories of lies, evils, deceptions, etc. There are plenty of people on the fringes, and in the middle who would in no way be classed as the "elite" neither BY the "elite" nor by regular folks, ready, willing, and able to deceive, distort, propagandize, mis-characterize, etc. If there is a reputation or a buck or simply a perverse thrill to be made, some liar will find a way.
Beyond which, the "man of perdition" we must be concerned with is not OUT THERE, or UP THERE, or IN THERE. "He's" UP HERE and IN HERE.
Where is your "here"?
Bringing it back to the level of this forum: We are here to discuss what Ray wrote and spoke on, and (I suppose) the ramifications of that. We are not here to bring "other teaching" in--certainly not by way of links, extended quotes or other avenues listed in the rules. Since Ray spoke on bathwater, that doesn't mean the forum is now wide-open for discussions on bath-soap. The fact Ray mentions these things does not open the forum to every "conspiracy theory" out there, contradictory as they are. Fair enough? Keep them out of the Off-Topics as well.
I keep hearing about the WHAT (not so much here, but in the world), yet nobody really seems interested (publicly) in the WHY. WHY IS THAT?
Dave in Tenn:
I forgot the second of the couple of things. :)
Former US President Richard Nixon was recorded on the "Watergate Tapes" talking about his experience at the Bohemian Grove thing. He said something like, "It was the most *** ****** ******ty thing..." If Nixon EVER told the truth, it was on those tapes. He was an "elite" wasn't he?
cheekie3:
largeli -
I totally agree with your post:
--- Quote from: largeli on May 17, 2016, 01:47:15 PM ---Dave pointed out that Ray wrote..
".... we seriously have to ask ourselves..." why sacrifice a sacrifice to a huge stone owl and why do these same people belong to other secret societies such as skull and bones, Freemasons, illuminate, etc.
Ray told all of his readers to ask these questions.
Discouraging discussion on the topic goes against what Ray told his readers to do and so we shouldn't be afraid to discuss the fact that our news, entertainment, politics, religion, law... Really our society and world view is shaped by people who belong to occult secret societies.
There's a great line in the movie The Truman Show...
Interviewer: " why do you think Truman has never come close to discovering the true nature of his world until now?"
Producer: "we accept the reality of the world with which we are presented. It's as simple as that. "
The truth sets us free , but not if we refuse to look at it. I don't need to know the ins and outs of these secret societies and I don't need to try and speculate what they're up to. Just learning that they exist and acknowledging that my world views and many of my beliefs and opinions have been shaped by these people, has freed me from continuing to believe some of those world views/beliefs/opinions. If I had never known about this stuff then I would still be influenced and deceived by... "the reality of the world with which I am presented. "
--- End quote ---
It appears that you know much more than the tip of the iceberg you have presented here.
I know that the deception and lies are so big that most who discover this are scared to accept it - but I see more and more people on the Earth seeing these massive lies and deceptions.
It is like WOW -
'how could I have been so deceived all my life',
'why did The Lord not show me this much earlier',
'what is the point of showing me this now',
'how could I have been so stupid',
'how can people be so ruthless and uncaring',
'what is it that they want',
'have they not enough already',
'is it more wealth that they want',
'is it power that they crave',
'how can they blatantly lie like this all the time',
'O my God, they actually lie all the time that it becomes as normal to them as breathing air'
Then you get past the anger stage, and start talking to The Lord on a different level - and you begin to see things planned by Our Father from the beginning (and The Scriptures, especially The Words of Jesus become much sharper) and you begin to have a much higher understanding of:
'why Jesus was so angry with the money changers',
'why Jesus was kind to ordinary people, and loved them so much' - yet 'Jesus said some of the most powerful words against those in charge, with such passion, as He saw what was in their evil Hearts',
'you start to see the evil that is "usury",
'you see that they are parasites, who are psychopaths that prey on the innocent, and have done so in this particular manner for over 200 years',
'you see the real evil in those people who love to control others',
'you understand how perfect He has executed His plan to bring all His Sons and Daughters to His Kingdom once purified of all their imperfections - even the predatory parasitic psychopaths',
'you discover what you always suspected as not being right, is actually true - but a lot worse than you thought',
'you discover that most of what we have been taught as reality since we were born is actually false',
'you struggle to find out how you can escape from this false reality - and realise that you cannot - at least not totally - after all "we are in the world - but not of the world"',
'you cry out to Him - asking "what is the point of knowing all this" - "what am I to do now"',
'you start doing things differently, tell your family a little about what you have discovered - and your family think you are totally nuts',
'you challenge God - demanding to know why, why, why - but you really do know why - as His Plan is Perfect',
'you try to free yourself from this wicked system that controls all our lives - and you discover that it will be extremely hard - like discovering pearls hidden deep in the ground, but you need to be continuously diligent in order to dig deep to get them pearls out of the ground',
'you discover that there are natural cures - yet we are always given chemical treatments',
'you discover who really profited from all the wars of the past 250 years',
'you discover that what we are told is success - is not really success at all - as it is at the heart of their deception',
Oops. I have gone a lot further again than I anticipated I would.
I will end it here, as this really is the biggest subject I have ever experienced.
I hope I have not offended anyone; or broken any of the Forum rules.
His Peace I leave with you all, and His Joy and His never ending Love.
Still Learning George.
Kat:
George, you have described well the condition of the world, now and how it's been for this whole age. The human race has been corrupt and filled with iniquity from the very beginning.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
v. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
The governments and religion have always worked together to satisfy their thirst for power, wealth and positions of authority over the masses. The world keeps on trudging along deceived, blind to what is really going on and helpless to the forces at work around them... it is all according to His plan. But a few have had our eyes opened, have been made aware of the condition of the world and what are we told to do about it?
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living."
v. 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, My people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
v. 5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
2Cor 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
v. 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
v. 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make My dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
v. 17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
v. 18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty."
7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
We are to "be separate," we cannot change what is going on in the world, but we are being changed/renewed, prepared and learning to serve God and not our carnality and this world. I don't need to dig down into the details of all the corruptions that fill the government, having been made known what Babylon is - the synagogue of Satan, that's enough for me. I'm not really avoiding more truth about occult symbols, I think we've had a good discussion on here, but I'm just not interested in seeking more of it out.
2Cor 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.
http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html -------------------
GOD IS THE POTTER: WE ARE THE CLAY!
"Has not the Potter [God] power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto DISHONOUR?" (Rom. 9:21.)
Only theologians believe that vessels of "dishonor" malfunction, when in reality they were designed by their Creator for the very PURPOSE of malfunctioning. A malfunctioning, carnal-minded, God-hating, immoral, human slob is of great value to God. Paul was just such a person before God called him out of Babylon the Great. And now, PAUL IS GREAT! Marvel of marvels, the things that God can do with dung.
http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html --------------------
What is actually spoken of in these two chapters of Isaiah 13 & 14 is the history of world religion and government from the creation of man, through the destruction of man, and the realization of God’s spiritual Mt. Zion filling the universe. All the religions and governments of the world in the history of the world are personified in these two chapters. Isa. 13:1 begins with, "The burden of Babylon…" (organized religion and government against God), and ends with Isa. 14;32b, "That the Lord has founded Zion…" (The spiritual capital of the Universe governing all mankind). It’s all right here for those who have "ears to hear and eyes to see."
Let me give you the history of the world including all future prophecies, in one sentence:
God perfectly planned and recorded His creation of the heavens, angels, the earth, and carnal humanity, who sinned wickedly and were all drowned (save a few); who then reached for their own heaven at the tower of Babel in rebellion to the God Who then scattered them (save a few); who later built Babylon into a great pagan empire which God destroyed (save a few); who have since built many wicked and fornicating Babylons collectively called, Mystery Babylon The Great, whom God warns before utterly destroying again (save a few); and of ‘the Few’ God is creating a New Spiritual Humanity of Son-and-Daughter Saviours like unto Jesus, in New Jerusalem on spiritual Mt. Zion, were ALL will be redeemed (NOT just a few); that God may be "ALL in All"!
Maybe I could shorten it down a smidgen, but there it is. The reality of most of the symbolism of Revelation is contained in that one sentence.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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