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Luke 23:43
Mike Gagne:
Hi Shechiyn,
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Hi Michael,
A word of advice:It is not wise to give "your own words" or understanding to a question asked and then turn around and say "maybe I wrong a little."
The fact that you say "maybe I wrong a little" proves that you are not 100% sure about what you are talking about
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Ok Thats Fine, Show me where I am wrong? I am 100 percent sure you can't !!
Maybe I could Have said that different? Maybe I could have said, I could also add this because it was was wrong for me not to !
Anyhow I am 100 % percent sure thats what I wrote and I also said it was in my words. Take it as you like thats why this is called a discussion!
I see that most don't like to it when a uneducated man has some thing to say. Just because I haven't been on this forum for years does not mean that God has been dealing with me only a short time. Tell me where there is something that doesn't line up with the word and then I will gladly show you from the scriptures that indeed It does. I wander if the apostle after years of study the word had to quote every scripture and tell it exactly as it was written, or did they just talk plainly? All bet in there plain talk they may had said somethings that were a little odd, but I also bet there was not much doubt about the truth they spoke!!
Back to my statement
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The heavens declare the Glory of God!! I guess they all can see, but will they know Its God
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( ( if thats all you got for anything I said was wrong then I am ok with that ) Not bad for grade 6 education.
What was I wrong in there? The only thing I can see i was wrong about was to not have it in my first statement !
Maybe I wrong there a little
The heavens declare the Glory of God!! ( and yes they do! ) I guess they all can see, ( and yes they can see, look around you ) but will they know Its God ? ( No they don't , they are blind to it )
Thank you Shechiyn
In Christ Michael
Kat:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 26, 2016, 03:04:13 PM ---Well said Kat, thanks.
So now if you please, what will be the situation when King David is resurrected at a future time remembering that he David was King, only to find the Lord Jesus sitting upon David's throne in Jerusalem. Is that a spiritually discerned event or will Jesus be visibly on that throne for all to see?
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Hi Bob,
I do not believe there would be a physical throne either, what seems to be meant is Christ has a symbolic seat/position as the King with authority to rule and judge. And as King of kings His 'throne' is over the whole world.
Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Christ’s throne and the throne of the Father are the same and it is on the same throne that those who are chosen and faithful unto death are finally to sit on as well... and it means that this authority is from the top down, the Father having all authority and gives it to whom He chooses.
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Now as for David, I believe He will be resurrected with the patriarchs and the prophets and many other kings that ruled the earth and each will have to give account before Christ and there will certainly be those that He will recognize for their living a righteous life, relative to this world anyway.
1Cor 3:13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
v. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
When you consider all the people that will be resurrected back to life, there will be a need for some people to serve Christ and the elect on earth... I mean there would be a need for administrators to make up the physical aspect of the kingdom and His government on earth. Maybe that is what is meant by this Scripture.
Matt 8:11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
There are many kings, as well as David, that have proven from their lives that they ruled in righteousness when they lived on earth. I believe overall rulership is for Christ and the elect, so I don't know if there will actually be physical 'kings' on earth in the next age. But I think there could be many serving Christ physically on earth as they learn the truth of the gospel.
As I have said there will be many righteous people of faith to be raised from OT times and they will certainly not need God's wrath, but will need to learn of the gospel of Jesus Christ. This is just some thoughts I have on this from what I see in Scripture.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
octoberose:
I guess I'm still not quite there with this line of thinking. I was reading this and I just can't wrap my head around it in terms of the old testament followers.
Matthew 27 says- " At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people."
Who are these 'holy' people? They obviously died before Jesus died and here they are being resurrected and being called holy. I do believe they were probably people that were known by the people around them or how else would they have known they died and had come back to life? I'm just perplexed.
As far as the thief goes- Matthew 27:44 says the 'rebels' were hurling insults at Jesus along with the others. So, the one thief may have had a change of heart but it sure wasn't too long after he was mocking Jesus. Paradise that day with Jesus makes no biblical sense for several reasons.
Nelson Boils:
Imagine Ray spending 10years+ on his writing and at the end of it all he says,"maybe I wrong there a little."
Imagine Jesus teaching his disciples for 3yrs and at the end he says,"maybe I wrong there a little."
Imagine a teacher teaching 1+1=2 then at the end the teacher says,"maybe I wrong there a little."
This would prove that the teacher is not "100 percent" sure of his own understanding.
Michael,you say"Thats Fine, Show me where I am wrong? I am 100 percent sure you can't!"
I didn't say you are wrong.If I did,quote me,"I am 100 percent sure you can't."
You are the one that said you MIGHT be wrong.Not me!I'll remind YOU what YOU said about your own post:"maybe I wrong the a little."
So perhaps you need to convince yourself that you are not wrong!
Mike Gagne:
Well Shechiyn, Yes Ray was a educated man, a man with a degree, and he himself said he had to go back and make correction, so I guess I am ok with it as well.
And I certainly am not a man with out a canal heart.
Just show me where I was wrong in what I was referencing to and I will be fine with that.
In Christ Michael
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