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lareli:

--- Quote from: Rick on April 05, 2016, 04:18:54 PM ---Hi Largeli,

we never saw the women who committed adultery neither face to face but the violence serial rapist doesn't come close to the atrocities of Adolph .

My apologies for not asking the question as you would of have Largeli but after all Im not you.

God bless.

--- End quote ---

Wasnt trying to criticize you or put you down in regards to your question. I have used Hitler a few times when giving an example too. Just reading your question made me think about why he is sort of our (our societies) default example of the worst guy.

True we never saw the woman who committed adultry but we have in our society/culture today, people who commit adultry so it's not difficult to imagine facing someone who commits adultry. It's common place. So too, is it common place to read about or hear on the news a case of a child abuser. In my mind at least, we (society) tend to look upon those who hurt children as the worst of the worst sinners. Which is what you're trying to illustrate when you (and myself) use Adolph as an example of someone we might feel righteous enough to throw stones at.

Again not knocking your post. Good post and thought.

As far as the violent serial rapist not coming close to the atrocities of Hitler... I'll ask, what exactly were Hitlers atrocities? Did Hitler ever kill one single Jew? Who's atrocities are worse, Hitlers or the men who obeyed his orders?

I read a quote somewhere that read 'I don't fear the Hitlers, or Mao's or Stalins... I fear the millions of people who follow their orders'.

Without loyal subjects Hitlers opinions and ideas would just be opinions and ideas. It's the obedience to authority that makes genocide real.

Dennis Vogel:
One reason you should not cast the first stone is everyone of us is capable of doing the very worse sins.

If you were born under certain circumstances and raise a certain way you would become a certain type of person.

Pro 22:6  Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Works both ways. Saddam Hussein's sons are good examples.

skip:
Judgments that are commanded
Joh 7:24  Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world."
1Jn 4:2 In this you know the spirit of God: every spirit which is avowing Jesus Christ, having come in flesh, is of God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit which is not avowing Jesus the Lord having come in flesh is not of God. And this is that of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and is now already in the world."

2Jn 1:1 The elder to the chosen lady and her
children, whom I am loving in truth, and not I only, but all also who know the truth,
2Jn 1:2 because of the truth which is remaining in us, and will be with us for the eon."
2Jn 1:3 With us will be grace, mercy, peace from God, the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love."
2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced very much that I have found your children walking in truth, according as we obtained a precept from the Father."
2Jn 1:5 And now I am asking you, lady, not as writing a new precept to you, but a precept which we have from the beginning, that we may be loving one another."
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we may be walking according to His precepts. This is the precept, according as you hear from the beginning, that you may be walking in it;"
2Jn 1:7 for many deceivers came out into the world, who are not avowing Jesus Christ coming in flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
2Jn 1:8 Be looking to yourselves, that you should not be destroying that for which you work, but you may be getting full wages."
2Jn 1:9 Everyone who is taking the lead and not remaining in the teaching of Christ has not God. He who is remaining in the teaching, this one has the Father as well as the Son."
2Jn 1:10 If anyone is coming to you and is not bringing this teaching, be not taking him into your home, and say not to him, "Rejoice!"
2Jn 1:11 For he who is saying to him to be rejoicing is participating in his wicked acts.
2Jn 1:12 Having much to write to you, I resolved not to do it with paper and ink, but I am expecting to come to you and to speak mouth to


 

willemv:
Hi  All

I basically agree with Kat about "not casting the first stone " and "discern peoples behaviour to decide whether I can associate with them or not.
The movie thing however, I can feel much the same when the good guys sort out the baddies, however I have never heard any of these "good guys " profess Jesus as their Saviour and if they did , they would not be going around to take out the baddies, so maybe we (myself included ) should not watch those movies.
As far as Hitler bashing goes , I think that is also  wrong for a variety of reasons:when Pilate declared he could find no wrongdoing in Jesus , the Jews cried out :"Let his blood be on us and our children ". This seems also to be a prayer (actually a curse ) God heard and the Jews have in fact been persecuted through the next 2000 years by the Romans ,by the "christians" , by the Spanish , by the English , and by the Germans.Hitler was was only another tool in God's plan . That is why I personally don't feel much for these Holocaust commemorations and I am not in the least antisemitic . I remember clearly how in WW2 my own parents(at the peril of being deported themselves) sheltered quite a few Jewish people in transit before they could get permanent safehouses or another identity. That was in the Netherlands where I grew up as a kid.Anyway before Adolph there was Pharaoh ,Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus (a goody-God's servant), Alexander , the Roman Ceacars,the RCC and the Papacy ( probably the biggest killers in human history), the Reformers who broke up the Church of Christ into hundreds of denominations , Napoleon , Stalin,Hitler and now Bush/Obama who collectively are responsible for the death of millions in the Middle East.
Do we get the message? God raised all these tyrants as part of His Plan ;He said so Himself  of Pharaoh , Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus in the OT and had it prophesied by His prophets (over and over ) in OT times for our age.The only way for true believers to handle this is not to Judge but to OBSERVE world history past and present and glorify God that He is true to His Word and above all not neglecting to go stand ""on the sand and turn around ", recognising the beast within ourselves ,repent  unto holiness , like Christ said :"go and sin no more "(Jhn 8 :11 )
Yours in Christ, Wim (short for Willem )

octoberose:

"Stalin,Hitler and now Bush/Obama who collectively are responsible for the death of millions in the Middle East."

Why make up numbers to make your point? I can't believe I'm defending people like this but they have not killed 'millions'.

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