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How do we differentiate a "test" from a "temptation?"
cheekie3:
Mandela -
--- Quote from: Mandela on April 09, 2016, 11:08:52 AM ---Hi,Octoberose
It seems like that verse is a tough but to crack.I re-read "Praying by Gods rules" and it seems,to me,that Ray didn't answer it entirely.I'll quote from his paper:
"And lead us not into temptation…"
Can this statement be true? Doesn’t the Scripture declare:
"…for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts He any man" (James 1:13)?
So why should we pray that God will "lead us NOT into temptation?" Good question.
In addition, we have this apparent contradiction regarding our Lord;
"Then was Jesus led up of THE SPIRIT into the wilderness TO BE TEMPTED of the devil" (Matt. 4:1).
Are not these Scriptures contradictory? I’ll admit it takes some careful consideration to untangle this apparent enigma. Here are the facts:
Temptation has always been associated with the work of Satan throughout the Bible. Beginning with mother Eve, then Jesus, Paul, James, Peter, and John, we have ample testimony concerning the beguiling deceitfulness of Satan.
While it is true that "…God cannot be tempted with evil, neither temps He any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed" (James 1:13-14), we must also consider that wherever temptation is, there also is Satan:
"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise… And the woman said [to God] The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat" (Gen. 3:6 & 13).
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ" (II Cor. 11:3).
"Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil… All these things will I [Satan] give you [Jesus], if you will fall down and worship me" (Matt. 4:1 & 9).
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts [desires, temptations] of your father ye will do…" (John 8:44).
"Be sober; be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion walks about, seeking whom he may devour [swallow down]" (I Pet. 5:8).
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world…" (Rev. 12:9).
Satan, not God, is the great tempter, and he has temped and deceived the whole world. But here is where God does come in. After we are tempted of Satan, God is our Redeemer:
"And the servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing [correcting] those that oppose themselves; if God peradvanture will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves [‘…but deliver us from the wicked one’ Matt. 6:13] out of the snare [Gk: ‘trap, temptation’] of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will" (II Tim. 2:24-26).(end quote)
So the spirit of God led Jesus to be tempted?But then again God tempts no one😕.Confusing!
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Your final statement states that Our Heavenly Father led Jesus to be tempted by Satan (as the Devil is the tempter); as Our Heavenly Father does not tempt anyone.
I hope this helps.
Kind Regards.
George.
Porter:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on April 09, 2016, 12:52:28 PM ---
Your final statement states that Our Heavenly Father led Jesus to be tempted by Satan (as the Devil is the tempter); as Our Heavenly Father does not tempt anyone.
I hope this helps.
Kind Regards.
George.
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That is how I see it too George. And just to add, one could easily say, "God, when you lead us into the wilderness to be tried and tested, please give us a way out so we can bear it and overcome."
Mat 6:13 And do not lead us into hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One. [The latter half of verse 13 is not found in the oldest manuscripts.] For kingship, power and glory are yours forever. Amen.' (CJB)
1Co 10:13 No temptation has seized you beyond what people normally experience, and God can be trusted not to allow you to be tempted beyond what you can bear. On the contrary, along with the temptation he will also provide the way out, so that you will be able to endure. (CJB)
Nelson Boils:
Actually,that is not my statement,it is what the bible says.
Mat 4:1 "Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert, in order to be tempted by the devil"
Who was doing the tempting?The devil.What lead Him to be tempted?The spirit of God.But listen to what James says:"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed"
Of course the Father does not tempt anyone,it is the Devil who does the tempting.After all James also says:"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any man"
Initially my question:What is the difference between being "tempted" and "tested"?
Porter:
Jas 1:12 BlessedG3107 is the manG435 thatG3739 endurethG5278 temptation:G3986 forG3754 when he isG1096 tried,G1384 he shall receiveG2983 theG3588 crownG4735 of life,G2222 whichG3739 theG3588 LordG2962 hath promisedG1861 to them that loveG25 him.G846
πειρασμός
peirasmos
pi-ras-mos'
From G3985; a putting to proof (by experiment [of good], experience [of evil], solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication adversity: - temptation, X try.
δόκιμος
dokimos
dok'-ee-mos
From G1380; properly acceptable (current after assayal), that is, approved: - approved, tried.
Many translations use the word 'approved' instead of 'tried'. Here are a few.
Jas 1:12 Blessed (happy, to be envied) is the man who is patient under trial and stands up under temptation, for when he has stood the test and been approved, he will receive [the victor's] crown of life which God has promised to those who love Him. (AMP)
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him. (ASV)
Jas 1:12 Blessed man, who bears up under temptation; because approved having become he will receive the crown of the life, which promised the Lord to those loving him. (Diaglott-NT)
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, because having been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (MKJV)
Jas 1:12 Happy the man who endureth temptation! Because, becoming approved, he shall receive the crown of life—which he hath promised unto them that love him. (Rotherham's)
Whether Satan temps or tries us it is the same thing.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Where did you find that God tests us Mandela? Just curious as I havnt been able to find it.
Nelson Boils:
1 Peter 1:7"that the genuineness of your faith — a thing far more precious than gold, which is perishable, yet HAS to be TESTED by fire — may win praise and glory and honour at the Appearing of Jesus Christ."
Job 7:18 " You visit him at dawn, and you test him unexpectedly"
Job 23:10" Because he knows the road on which I travel, when he has TESTED me, I’ll come out like gold."
The Lord testing us goes without even reading the scriptures.Even when going for a job interview we are tested.Any sports team that wants to win the league is tested.How?They have opponents just as we,the elect,have opponents.
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