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Only the blind would deny.
rick:
Political systems have always been corrupt but what makes me think these scriptures are unprecedented in our times are the attitudes of the common people.
There is wide spread of disobedience to parents to day unlike any other time , men lovers of self rather than of God I can hardly go anywhere without seeing piercings of metal on faces of both men and women, heroin use in thousands of families , lover's of self rather than of God.
I think our times reflect these scriptures more so today where everything is corrupted without restraints or regards for anyone by both our political leaders and the citizens.
I would be frightened to be a child today with most mothers I see out there.
I don't believe other generation have gone through what our generation is subjected to on the level it is.
I certainly hope Christ returns very soon and all can start to learn righteousness and live Godly lives.
That is my hope in Christ.
God bless.
Dave in Tenn:
Porter, I think you are getting there.
"Some Christians naively believe Paul and all these prophecies are speaking of the whole world of mankind in general. Oh no He isn't:
It is not the atheistic heathen world which has "departed from the faith," who "blaspheme God," who have a "form of godliness," or who have "turned away from such."
Oh no. It is the HOUSE OF GOD which has done these things and continues to do them. It is the "CHURCH of the Living God." It is: "THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS, AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" who commits spiritual fornication by going to the "Egypts" of this world and making alliances with the nations rather than trusting in God.
And lest we get puffed up in the realization that the Christian democracies of America and Europe are indeed the "ISRAEL OF GOD" in prophecy, let us not forget that God’s Church is made up of the "MANY called, but FEW chosen" (Matt. 22:14 & Matt. 7:21-23)."
People who use this scripture to describe the world are simply looking in the wrong place. I'm not saying (nor did Ray) that the world is a shining sphere of goodness. But Peter was NOT talking about the world, but the "church". If one can't see it in the CHURCH, then one is TRULY blind.
"If the "LIGHT" in YOU (collectively AND individually?) be darkness, how great is the darkness?" And it is this darkness that the "church" has introduced into the world, as well as failing to reveal the True Light--hiding it under a bushel. Whatever the world knows about our God, it knows from the "church", that MOST WORLDLY of institutions. From such, turn.
rick:
Is Ray not referring to America as the house of God and if so does 2Timothy not apply to America only and not the world at large ?
But in the house of God many are called but few are chosen , Christendom represents the many and those with Gods truths represent the few.
God bless.
Dave in Tenn:
I'll just point out that not only are there more than one "Americas", there are more than one Nations in each of them. All of them are "christian". And I'll leave it at that.
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