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lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: octoberose on May 08, 2016, 03:27:24 AM ---The question I have is after thr return of Christ and the gathering of His own from the grave and from the living and the "1000 " year reign with Him - is everone else whi is on earth to learn righteousness? Even those who have already died?   It will be a very full earth.

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Hello rose,

The 1000 year reign is synonymous with the age of judgement. It is the great white throne. It is in reigning on the thrones of the twelve tribes of Israel that we judge the world. A king judges from his throne. We are to be priests and kings to our God.

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 22:29-31
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

The God who made the heavens and the earth, everything in them, is not limited by the very things He has created. Space for His family won't be an issue for Him. He is very wise and already knows exactly how all this will play out.

God bless,
Alex

lauriellen:
I have really enjoyed reading this thread and am thankful to Kat for clarifying the spurious verse. It is with joy and relief that I learn that the 1000 year millennial reign is the same time period as the great white throne judgment. This would seem to agree with the statement of 'each man in his own order/class", as in perhaps a succession of resurrections during this time?... I do have a question about the 'little season' when satan is released to again wreak havoc among men. I wonder why, after learning righteousness and being judged, will people again be turned to sin? And what then? Will all who turn again to sin be consumed and die another physical death? Will they possibly go thru another judgment?
thanks, lauri

Kat:

--- Quote from: lauriellen on May 08, 2016, 05:04:49 PM ---I have really enjoyed reading this thread and am thankful to Kat for clarifying the spurious verse. It is with joy and relief that I learn that the 1000 year millennial reign is the same time period as the great white throne judgment. This would seem to agree with the statement of 'each man in his own order/class", as in perhaps a succession of resurrections during this time?... I do have a question about the 'little season' when satan is released to again wreak havoc among men. I wonder why, after learning righteousness and being judged, will people again be turned to sin? And what then? Will all who turn again to sin be consumed and die another physical death? Will they possibly go thru another judgment?
thanks, lauri
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Hi lauri, I too am thinking the same thing as your comment "the statement of 'each man in his own order/class", as in perhaps a succession of resurrections during this time?." I believe the elect will be given great authority and power to rule in the next age, but certainly they will not be judging the everyday quarrels that arise among people. There could be many physical people put in positions to judge among the people and there is a good example of this with Moses, who had a need to assign people to serve under him.   

Deu 1:13  Choose for yourselves wise and discerning men, known to your tribes, and appoint them as your leaders.
v. 14  "You answered by saying that this plan is a good thing.
v. 15  So I chose leaders from your tribes, wise and respected men, and I appointed them over you—commanders of thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens. (ISV)

So I have wondered if in the resurrection God will bring back the many righteous people first that have already proven from their past lifetime to be great rulers. Like you said maybe there will be a continued succession of resurrections, from the most righteous descending down, that could be one way to look at what Christ said "the first will be last, and the last first." That would also form a foundation of God's government on earth to deal with the more wicked as they came along... just my thoughts.

Rev 20:2  He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
v. 3  and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

One thing I've thought of is that in the next age their will be so many babies and young children resurrected that will only know about that that time in the next age of Christ's glorious reign and have no memory of this evil age... do all people need to be tried and tested? Is that the purpose for Satan being released? Those people would not stand a chance against the great deceiver, maybe that's what he for to tempt them into great sin?

Rev 20:7  Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
v. 8  and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
v. 9  They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

When Christ resurrects the dead, and "it is appointed for men to die once"(Heb 9:27) and Christ said in the next age there will be no more physical death (Rev 21:4). Now another thing is we know what God's fire does, it is for cleansing and purging. That great number of people that go up to do battle with the saints must really be deceived to think they have any chance... but God's plan will see to it that they are redeemed, just as the sinners of this world will be... again just my thoughts.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

octoberose:
Could you expond a little on the Lake of Fire as it relates to the 1000 years ? Is this just another word for the training in rightousness that will be happening in that time?

Kat:

--- Quote from: octoberose on May 09, 2016, 07:31:33 PM ---Could you expond a little on the Lake of Fire as it relates to the 1000 years ? Is this just another word for the training in rightousness that will be happening in that time?
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Hi octoberose, the 'lake' of fire is a metaphor that describes how Christ's judgments will completely cover the entire earth for the duration of the next age - 1000 years. And what does that number represent? Till Christ has finished judging the world.

1Cor 15:25  For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.

But generally speaking I think you are right... for some it is simply training, for others more of a purging will need to take place first and certainly even severe correcting if need be. I'm thinking for all things to be put right and justice to be done, every person's experiences at that time will be just as individual as their life here in this age has been. Everybody's character flaws need to be corrected by living right and learning from it... it will be a process of undoing and reshaping the understanding in the mind, that all the false ideas and delusions created.

Here is part of the article no. 12 'God Judges the World in a Pond.'

http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html --------------

We have already proved that "the fire shall try every man’s work" in I Cor. 3:13 is a spiritual match with Rev. 20:13 & 15 where "they were judged every man according to their works … in the lake of fire" And in both cases the "fire" is God’s SPIRIT. God’s spirit burns spiritual character flaws out of the hearts of mankind in a similar way in which literal fire burns up and abolishes wood, straw, and stubble. And since we are the Body of Christ and we too are made "flames of fire," then we also judge the deeds of men’s hearts.

CALMING THE RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA

What is the final outcome of a humanity that is likened to, "Raging Waves of the Sea?" Will they spew out their raging foam of hatred and wickedness forever? No, certainly not. There is a cure for every disease, a solution to every problem, a Saviour for every lost soul. The "raging waves of the sea" are not match for Him Who walks on water.

"And He arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, PEACE, BE STILL. And the wind ceased, and there was a GREAT CALM. And He said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? How is it that ye have no faith? [How is it that Christendom has NO FAITH?] And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of Man is this, that even the WIND AND THE SEA OBEY HIM?" (Mark 4:39-41).

Has Jesus lost His touch? Do we think that Jesus no longer can make "the wind and the sea OBEY Him?"

"And the SEA gave up the dead [spiritually dead] which were in it [these spiritually dead are also called, "raging waves of the sea" who are "foaming out their own shame" Jude 13] …and they were judged every man according to their works… And whosoever was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:13 & 15).

Will these wicked "raging waves of the sea" continue foaming out their or shame for ALL ETERNITY, in a place of eternal torture? Or will Jesus once again walk on the waters and cause a "GREAT CALM" to come over all humanity?

The spiritual fire in the lake of fire is a powerful, powerful remedy for the sins of humanity, and this Fire from God will work a great work on the "raging waves of the sea." There is coming a great calm on all humanity:

"And I saw as it were a SEA OF GLASS mingled with FIRE [yes, the fire of God’s spirit is a necessary part of this ‘sea of glass’]: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass [ah, they too can now walk on water which is now smooth and calm as glass], having the harps of God"
 
All of the "raging and foaming" has been calmed SMOOTH AS GLASS by the fiery spirit of God. They now sing praises to God, symbolized by their harps! Jesus will yet calm the great sea of humanity. Be not deceived, the sea will yet "OBEY Him!"

(We will explain the symbols of "the beast," "his image," "his mark," "the number of his name," "the man of sin," "the two witnesses," "the second death," "the antichrist," etc., in upcoming installments of this series).

GOD’S MINISTERS ARE FLAMES OF FIRE

I showed you earlier that Jesus Christ is not only IN the lake of fire, He IS THE LAKE OF FIRE. He is the Divinity in this spiritual fire.

Ponder this:

Like Christ, we too are raised with a "SPIRITUAL body" (I Cor. 15:44).

We are in fact called, "the BODY of Christ" (Eph. 1:23).

We will literally "be LIKE Him [Christ]" (I John 3:2).

God will make us into "ministers [of] FLAMING FIRE" (Psalm 104:4).

We too then will be like our God, "a CONSUMING FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).

God promises us that, "…the saints shall JUDGE THE WORLD…" and "we shall JUDGE ANGELS" (I Cor. 6:2-3)!

God tells us WHERE this judgment will take place:

"…they were judged every man according to their works," and "whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into THE LAKE OF FIRE" (Rev. 20:13 & 15).

Therefore, we, the Saints, the Body of Christ, the consuming fire ministers of God, the saviours of Mt. Zion, the manifested Sons and Daughters of God, along with our Head, Jesus Christ, also ARE THE LAKE OF FIRE!

THERE IS NO LITERAL LAKE, AND THERE IS NO LITERAL FIRE. Jesus Christ and His Body of Saints ARE THE LAKE OF JUDGING, PURIFYING, CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!!

The lake of fire is a metaphor written in symbols that stand for what is being symbolized, not the symbols themselves. The lake of fire is composed of Jesus Christ the Judge of the world, Christ’s divine spiritual fire and brimstone, and the Sons of God who are the body of Christ who are also FLAMES OF FIRE (Heb. 1:7).

And the whole world will be judged BY US! After death, all the dead will be resurrected, they will all be judged, they will have to pass through the purifying lake of fire, they will have to PASS THROUGH US! WE will be their judge along with our Lord.

"Know ye not that the SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD?"

And so, the GREAT SEA OF HUMANITY will be judged in the safety and security of the LAKE OF SAINTS!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

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