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lareli:
Thanks folks..
What about the lake of fire? Does that take place during or after the millennial reign and what are your thoughts on its duration? I mean will people spend different amounts of time there depending on how their works are judged?
I know Christ said in a parable that one man may receive many blows and another receive few.. Also the reference He made in regards to someone paying every last cent before being released from prison... I assume Ghandi would owe less money to the king then say a serial killer..
Kat:
--- Quote from: largeli on May 06, 2016, 12:56:39 PM ---What about the lake of fire? Does that take place during or after the millennial reign and what are your thoughts on its duration? I mean will people spend different amounts of time there depending on how their works are judged?
I know Christ said in a parable that one man may receive many blows and another receive few.. Also the reference He made in regards to someone paying every last cent before being released from prison... I assume Ghandi would owe less money to the king then say a serial killer...
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largeli, I think it is that spurious Scripture, Revelation 20:5 that has caused all the confusion about the millennium being something different from the great white throne judgment period... Ray believed they were the same after he understood that Scripture was spurious. Now the duration of the time period for the judgment of the world is only given figuratively, 1000 yrs, it will be as long as it take.
1Cor 15:25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
The way I have come to think at the next age of judgment is to think how different the world will be when Christ is reigning, the world will no longer be an accommodating place for carnality and corruption to be the rule of the land. Christ and the elect will enforce the law of God without fail as is expressed in this verse.
Rev 19:15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Now I think of this verse in 2 ways, it means the new world will be a wonderful place for the righteous to live, but it will be a dreadful place for those who had lived according to wickedness. The wicked will be under constantly supervision, they will not be allowed to get away with any evil tendencies they have developed. The world will be in peace, but there are many people whose way of life in this age is totally contrary to that... obviously criminals and preachers of blasphemy, but there are mean/evil spirited people who have made life miserable for everybody around them, also think of career soldiers. There will be so many soldiers resurrected from past centuries who were warriors all their lives and only skills are for battle and killing. I really believe some of these people really like, even enjoy their reprobate/evil lifestyle... I mean lots of people are going to despise the new world, they will hate being forced to live upright lives, at first anyway. Think how much longer the judging process will take for people like that to change, repent, and be purged of all that wickedness, it could take a really long time.
Here is where Ray spoke about the spiritual nature of the sins of the flesh that must be eradicated now for the few, but everybody else in the next age.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-A.html -----------------
Jesus plainly states (albeit in figurative language) that if one wants to avoid hell (he means gehenna there) fire, he must "CUT OFF his hands and feet and PLUCK OUT his eyes."
But our Lord’s words are not to be taken literally, as we have just demonstrated. Yet, that is what the Scripture literally says (Matt. 18:8-9). And as no one on earth does this, it is clear that no one on earth actually and factually believes that these words of Jesus are to be taken literally.
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THE WORDS OF JESUS ARE NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. You are not to literally, cut off your feet or your hands or pluck out your eyes. The words of our Lord are figurative, symbolic language, which have to do with a higher spiritual truth, but have nothing to do with literal dismemberment of your physical body.
•It is what you sinfully touch with your hands and your mind that must be repented of in your HEART.
•It is where you sinfully walk with your feet and your mind that must be repented of in your HEART.
•It is what you sinfully lust after with your eyes and your mind that must be repented of in your HEART.
•It is the HEART that is, "Deceitful above all things and exceedingly wicked," not our eyes, hands and feet, (Jer. 17:9).
•It is out of our HEART that, "…proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies," not from our eyes, hands and feet, (Matt. 15:19).
we will NOT enter the Kingdom literally "lame and maimed" with missing hands, or missing feet, or missing eyes, but rather we will have spiritually amputated the lust and sin in our HEARTS. Those who do not meet this qualification in this life, will be brought into the Great White Throne/Lake of Fire Judgment were these sins will be eradicated, but not with physical, literal, eternal torturing fire, but through the "CONSUMING FIRE" of God’s Spirit and His "FLAMING MINISTERS" (Heb. 12:29 & Psalm 104:4).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
octoberose:
"also think of career soldiers. There will be so many soldiers resurrected from past centuries who were warriors all their lives and only skills are for battle and killing. I really believe some of these people really like, even enjoy their reprobate/evil lifestyle."
Kat, do you know career soldiers? Because I have spent most of my adult life around them and they are more likely then most to hate killing. And you said "career soldier" as if it makes one bit of difference how long they serve. Because in an American army it is called the Service for a reason. We don't need to get into the weeds of violence in this thread, but I'm not sure why you pick on the soldier and not the immoral, the guys on the other side of the computer that says vile hateful things to each other, the powerful in churches that make life miserable for everyone else. At least a soldier thinks he is defending someone- Romans 5- "For rarely will someone die for a just person--though for a good person perhaps someone might even dare to die. "
indianabob:
Hi Octoberrose,
Becoming a professional killer whether by choice in this century or by conscription in other eras is an emotional subject to discuss. I think we might learn some helpful facts if we approach the subject carefully.
As I understand it getting used to killing is somewhat like getting used to abortion as an acceptable method of birth control.
So perhaps we could suspend the emotional approach to the discussion and focus on the human faults that lead to war and how humans are affected spiritually.
Kindly offered, indiana bob
Kat:
octoberose, I did say soldiers from 'past centuries,' it's not a very good comparison of today's high tech army with those from past and my comment was directed towards those times past, because battles were fought much different than today. Of course I've only read about the lives of those armies and battles, but those soldier learned the most proficient way to kill and they did so in hand to hand combat and some men seemed to thrive on the adrenaline rush from it all. There will be numerous men in the resurrection whose whole lives were lived going from one battle to the next.
War is a hostile conflict, in defending they usually must kill as well. A soldiers kills the enemy, but each side look at the other as the enemy to kill as well. Regardless of the reasons (both sides usually think their reasons are sound), but it causes death and destruction. Conquest of vast areas, sometimes involved wiping out the whole area of it's people, and we know of that from the Israelite's taking the promise land. That kind of thing was what gave the most famous generals in history their fame (read about Genghis Kahn and Julius Caesar).
What I was expressing was the vase differences that the next age will bring, all wars will cease, and all the wild excitement of war will be no more. But I was focusing on the huge number of people that will be in the resurrection that were warriors and did love and crave that kind of violent excitement. So all those men will have to learn new skills and live a peaceful life, something they are not used to and will not like. Now if they just were soldier with no violent tendencies they should get along well in the next age, it will be about the attitudes of the heart after all.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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