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Is Eve's seed literal (Christ) and Satan's seed figurative? 
(see below from The Lake of Fire - PART II)

This serpent that shall bruise the heel of Eveís seed (singular seed -- Christ) is clearly Satan the Devil who also has seed, "thy seed." Jesus said, "You are of your father the Devil...?" (John 8:44). Satan the Devil has "seed"; he is a "father;" a father has children and followers of like nature. No literal snake ever produced a seed that bruised the heel of Jesus. Snakes do not "eat dust" but Satan dines on mankind "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour [Greek: (lit. or fig.) gulp entirely, swallow up] I Pet. 5:8). And he seeks to devour mankind who are "dust" of the earth ("...for dust thou art...." Gen. 3:19).


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Re: Is Eve's seed literal (Christ and Satan's seed figurative?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2016, 09:05:34 PM »

Hi Jonathan.  I don't know if this helps, but I see it this way.  Eve's seed is identified.  Satan's "seed" is REAL.

"He that maketh and loveth a lie".  Etc. 
Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.


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Re: Is Eve's seed literal (Christ and Satan's seed figurative?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2016, 11:42:55 PM »

Hi Jonathanm, welcome to the forum  :)

I did find where Ray spoke more on the two seeds in 'What Is the Gospel of the Kingdom.' Here are a few excerpts from that article.,6142.msg50216.html#msg50216 ---

                                THERE ARE TWO SEEDS

Now letís go back and get a little more prospective on everything. There are two seeds on the earth. In Genesis 3 we read about the seed of the serpent (the seed of Satan) and the seed of the woman, there are the two seeds.

Now we are going to see the progression of the gospel. In Genesis 3;

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between you (serpent) and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He (it) will bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.

This is talking about something that is going to come and bruise - the word is actually closer to crush than bruise, in both places.

So we have this promise of a Seed back in the garden, the Seed of the woman. Now we come a few generations down the road and God says to Abraham.

Gen 22:18  And in your Seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.

We want to follow the progression of the seed, so look at Galatians 3.

Gal 3:16  And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ.

So we see just read that in Genesis 22, Iím going to bless all nations, in your seed. Notice ďAnd to your SeedĒ and He said not and to seeds, with a Ďsí plural ďas of many; but as of one, to your Seed (singular - one Seed), which is Christ.Ē

There it is. So we were promised the Seed through Eve and God said through Abraham Iím going to bless your Seed and then we come to the New Testament and it says Jesus Christ is that Seed. What was taught back there was the gospel.

That was the gospel in chapter 3 of Genesis. That was the gospel in chapter 12, 18 and 22 of Genesis, to Abraham. Now we come down and we say that this Seed is Christ. So itís going to come about through Christ, the one Seed. Jesus is the Seed of Abraham - the Seed of the woman, the one Seed by which the whole world is going to be blessed. Paul tells us this is the beginning of the gospel.

Now we have the two seeds. Notice this, here in 1 Peter are the two Seeds.

1Peter 4:17  For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Youíve got the seed of the Serpent and youíve got the Seed of the woman. The seed of the woman, through the Seed of Christ, is going to obey the gospel. How are they going to come into obedience, by the way? What is going to bring about this obedience? Judgment! ďfor judgment to begin at the house of GodĒ thatís how you come into obedience to the gospel.

Paul says what is going to happen to those who donít obey the gospel of God. We have that answered in 2 Thes. 1:8, with Godís fiery wrath and indignation is going to be poured out on those, who what? Do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ.

2Thes 1:8  in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Keep everything in mind now. We have a good message - a good news message through God to Eve, there is coming a Seed in you and itís going to do battle against the seed of the serpent. Then God tells Abraham Iím going to bless all nations through your Seed. Paul says Jesus Christ is that Seed. But the two Seeds keep going, the two Seeds are here until the end of time. Those that obey the gospel - those that do not obey the gospel, you are of your father the devil. If you were Abrahamís children, the seed of the woman, you wouldnít do that. 
So what this is saying is, you are His - Godís precious people. Thatís pretty neat, you are His precious people, not the Israel of old, not the Israel that came down through the seed of the devil, that was who? The Scribes and the Pharisees and they personified it, the leadership of the church and the Temple system, personified the nation. Not that seed, the seed of the devil. You are the seed of Jesus Christ, you are of this Israel of God, like Paul talked about in Galatians.

Gal 6:16  And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.

1Peter 2:9  Öso that you might speak of the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

So the kingdom of God is what? The Israel of God! Itís those who through the faith of AbrahamÖ that is the same faith that God gave to Abraham He gives to us, thatís the faith of Abraham. We become this peculiar, special people to God. 

Now get this. Here's what He said we are. He said I will have a nation and I will have a people and it didnít happen... but it was a type, a shadow of something that will happen. 

The writer of Hebrews tells us that there is an "Israel of God," those who are baptized in the Spirit, circumcised in the Spirit and they are now spiritual Israel - Jews. They are the real Jews, the ones that are converted in heart and mind and spirit. Then Peter comes right out and says, you are that royal family, that special people, that kingdom of priests, that holy nation, thatís what you are. 
Jesus Christ taught all these things. He said, if ye are Christ's, the one Seed and youíre Abraham's, now youíre into multiple seeds. Now go to the last chapter.

Gal 6:16  And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Is He talking about carnal Pharisees and the Scribes? No. Those that walk according to this rule, this new rule, this being an Israelite without being an Israelite, being circumcised without being circumcised, being a Jew while youíre a Gentile. Thatís what this is all about, this is something different. But itís going to fulfill that promise back in Exodus, He will make a royal nation, a royal priesthood and a holy nation out of who? Israel. What Israel? The Israel of God, not those who are circumcised in the flesh, no no no.

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
v. 29  but he is a Jew who is one inwardly (he's writing to the Gentile Romans hereÖ) circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit (he is the spiritual Jew; the Roman - the Galatian - the PhilippianÖ) not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So if you are in Christ, you are of the Seed of Abraham, even though there is no bloodline connection. Spirit is thicker than blood. 

mercy, peace and love


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Re: Is Eve's seed literal (Christ and Satan's seed figurative?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2016, 04:20:38 PM »

Thank you for that reply!
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