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Christendom half right about hell.
rick:
Hi Alex,
I know God is changing us, all of us. In a twinkling of and eye happens when Christ returns as you know. How is it we learn to hate a thing we loved ?
That thing we now hate did not just happen on its own but God through our circumstances changes us .
Here is faith, God called me while being totally carnal minded which is pure hatred against God, I was not looking for God , God wasn't on my mind .
I was happy being my sinful evil wicked self not that I ever saw me in that way, if you asked me I would of told you I was a decent guy.
So now God calls me or as we understand here God dragged me to Himself an so now God has my attention and I like anyone else comes to understand about this beast we really are......shocking as it may be we try to clean up our life to please God only to discover we can't clean up nothing.
My opinion is God makes us live in our filth to we come to hate it with a passion so we don't have second thoughts about it but all along He's been changing us while we are in it , we don't always see that but how is it we now hate the things we loved to do but are not right?
Before Christ I thought I was in control ( Free will ) Now with Christ I understand I have a ( will ) and no control period , believe me it's better this way but when we arrive here that's when God turns up the heat on us and life takes on new and improved meaning.
But if God dragged us this far We must trust He is going to drag us the rest of the way to the point where will will happily follow and maybe that is when we are changed in the twinkling of and eye.
God bless.
Kat:
Hi Rick, yes it is that gradual process of change we must go through and it only starts when the Spirit of Christ becomes indwelling.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
So it is that Spirit in us that begins the slow process of changing our old carnal, God hating self...
Eph 4:22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
v. 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
v. 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
So He is doing the work in/through us, in our minds and in our thinking to know God, understand His truth, make the changes to become a new creation.
2Cor 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
It is true we start to see things differently, things that we thought was fun and good are revealed by the Spirit to only be carnal lusts and it will not let us be okay with that anymore... those worldly type things certainly lose there luster.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
v. 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age,
v. 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
It is that process of burning the chaff out or pruning off all bad branches in us, both are rather rough to endure, but absolutely necessary to bring us to where we need to be... praise be to God!
Luke 3:17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
v. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
v. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
v. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
v. 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
AwesomeSavior:
Rick:
I can tell you firsthand that one of the ways God has "salted me with fire" with His circumstances is through many different health scares, including one I just had last night. These evil experiences are very humbling. I realize that they are needed for the transformation within to occur, but wow...He is incredible.
Dean
Chris:
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on June 07, 2016, 07:21:05 PM ---Rick:
I can tell you firsthand that one of the ways God has "salted me with fire" with His circumstances is through many different health scares, including one I just had last night. These evil experiences are very humbling. I realize that they are needed for the transformation within to occur, but wow...He is incredible.
Dean
--- End quote ---
I agree with this
rick:
Hi Dean,
It does appear there is always something in our life that stands out and causes us to think on a spiritual level but I find its everything in my life from morning till night that I question.
It's frustrating to discover how helpless we are and to say no to any given thing only to discover your no ends up being yes when you actually mean no, yet at the same time it does force me to trust Christ more for my life .
I think Jesus wants me to really understand I'm not in control of anything exspecially the things I feel most strong in.
Life is hard and difficult and sometimes scary not knowing what the next hour brings into our life but when I think on these things I start to realize Christ does not want me trusting in any ability I may have to see me through whatever might be transpiring at any given hour.
So where does that leave me ? It's difficult to let go and trust Christ because all my life I've been calling the shots but what is freaky to me is I discovered I've been deceived into thinking I called the shots.
It was never in my command to direct my footsteps anymore than I ever had free will or the ability to make any kind of uncaused choice.
I do feel as if I'm in limbo because I don't feel I'm totally carnal minded but neither am I totally spiritually minded. Maybe I'm carnally minded but believing in The sovereignty of God and not man.
I feel I'm being lead and not leading so I don't know where I'm going I only know what I'm going through at the time I'm going through whatever it is that is happening at any given moment in my life.
I'm not complaining and may God keep me from complaining, I do understand within the scope He has given me to understand this strange and difficult thing I call life.
Through everything I go through I certainly lost all fear of death I once had but no longer do because my life is not really my life, it belongs to Christ just like the thousand cattle on the hill and everything else in this universe belongs to Christ.
I guess these are just a few reasons why we need to trust in Christ.
God bless.
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