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lareli:
What should making disciples look like today?
Matt 28:19
"19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on July 11, 2016, 12:57:50 PM ---What should making disciples look like today?
Matt 28:19
"19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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Spurious Passage, not authentic, the making disciples part nor baptizing in name of the trinity--Father, Son, holy spirit.
Do you have a second witness?
lareli:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on July 11, 2016, 01:08:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on July 11, 2016, 12:57:50 PM ---What should making disciples look like today?
Matt 28:19
"19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
--- End quote ---
Spurious Passage, not authentic, the making disciples part nor baptizing in name of the trinity--Father, Son, holy spirit.
Do you have a second witness?
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No not off the top of my head I can't think of a second passage.. But since you said this passage is not authentic, I take it you don't believe there is a second passage?
So what does it mean when there's not a second witness? Does that mean it's not true or that it should be taken out or disregarded?
I'm not clear on what the whole second witness thing means.. I always thought that was in reference to when one person accuses another person and the judge should not condemn a person based on just one persons testimony.. isn't the bible filled with statements that are not necessarily repeated again? One gospel says that both men on the crosses next to Christ hurled insults at Him.. Not only is there not a second witness to this (to my knowledge) but there is a witness that says one of the men on the cross next to Him asked Him to remember him. As far as I know there aren't second witnesses to these so should we not accept either of these as truth?
lareli:
Is it one of the deceptions of the church to teach that everything in the bible is true?
Extol:
Largeli,
Ray taught that "two or three witnesses" are necessary regarding doctrinal truths, not factual or historical statements. Sure, we could find lots of things mentioned only once, like Shamgar killing 600 Philistines with an ox goad (Judges 3:31). (We could find spiritual parallels, but that's a different topic.)
The basic truths that Ray taught--denied by Christendom--often have far more than two or three witnesses. You could probably name a handful of verses declaring the sovereignty of God and the salvation of all without even looking them up. On the other hand, doctrines refuted by Ray--Christ was sin, tithing to church, free will, eternal punishment, etc.--do NOT have two or three witnesses.
It's important to understand this verse (Matt. 28:19) is spurious because it teaches one of the major false doctrines of Christendom. Most Bibles appear to have two witnesses for the Trinity: Matt. 28:19 and 1 John 5:7. But they are both spurious.
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