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Giving thanks for all things?
John from Kentucky:
During this current age, the time of the first fruits or Pentecost, Jesus is only working with and bringing salvation to His Elect, the few, the little flock.
The Many, the rest of mankind, will be saved in the ages to come, after His return to the Earth.
All will be saved, no one will be lost, each in the appointed time.
Dennis Vogel:
I agree George, and I agree with John.
lauriellen:
Does not this scripture encourage us to pray for the world?
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people;
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and it pleases God our Savior,
I think these scriptures make a pretty good case that Jesus did pray for people in the 'world':
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Luk_6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you
Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
cheekie3:
lauriellen -
These Scriptures do indeed confirm that Jesus prayed for men, women and children:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on August 24, 2016, 12:08:12 AM ---Does not this scripture encourage us to pray for the world?
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people;
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and it pleases God our Savior,
I think these scriptures make a pretty good case that Jesus did pray for people in the 'world':
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Luk_6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you
Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
--- End quote ---
I think there must be a distinction between 'people' and the 'world'; in that, 'people' probably refers to men, women and children, whereas the 'world' probably refers to all that is not 'The Kingdom of God' (most likely 'the kingdom of Satan' or 'Babylon the great').
Kind Regards.
George
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on August 24, 2016, 12:08:12 AM ---Does not this scripture encourage us to pray for the world?
1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people;
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and it pleases God our Savior,
I think these scriptures make a pretty good case that Jesus did pray for people in the 'world':
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Luk_6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you
Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
--- End quote ---
Re: your first section, the reason we are asked to pray for all people and rulers is found in 1Tim 2:2, "that we may live a quiet and peaceful life..." The prayers are for the Elect, the few, not for the salvation of the Many, at this time.
The Many are not going to be saved at this time. They will go their own way for now and will die in their sins. Their only hope is for a physical resurrection to judgment when they will be saved, in the future.
Your second section changes nothing about the timing of salvation. God has already made His plans and they will not change.
First the Passover, when the Great Anointed One gave Himself for all.
Second, Pentecost or Feast of First Fruits, which has gone on for about two thousand years, when Jesus works with and saves the Elect few.
Finally, the Feast of Tabernacles or Great Fall Harvest, at the end of the ages, when salvation is given to the Many. Only after the return of the Great King will the rest of humanity and the angels be healed and saved. A time of wonderful blessings on all.
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