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Giving thanks for all things?
octoberose:
When Jesus said he was not praying for the world it was near his death and he was praying for his disciples. I just don't read that as " I have never prayed for the world and am not starting now" but rather " You and I have spoken of the world many times- but right now I'm praying for my followers" . Is that reading into the text? It may be . But we know Jesus was Sent to be the savior of whole world - it would be pretty odd if he didnt pray for that which he had come to save. Yes, He went through the Jews but He always goes through a smaller group to eventually minister to the larger group.
He also answered prayers and requests from gentiles. If he hadn't that would be a strong stand against ministering to 'the world' but he did . Even dogs deserve crumbs .
How does this relate to thanking God for the suffering in the world or not? A great deal of that suffering is the burden if a fallen world. They truly are like an animal who doesn't understand what is happening to them . But WE should understand- we can thank Him for our trials - we can cry out to Him ! We know he will work all things together for the good of Those who love Him, those Called according to His Purpose. We know there is reserrection after death . Our suffering has a great deal of meaning - and if it doesn 't well maybe our focus has shifted from the Cross to our comfort and cares. W hich is all too easy to do.
cheekie3:
octoberose -
--- Quote from: octoberose on August 23, 2016, 08:57:49 AM ---When Jesus said he was not praying for the world it was near his death and he was praying for his disciples. I just don't read that as " I have never prayed for the world and am not starting now" but rather " You and I have spoken of the world many times- but right now I'm praying for my followers" . Is that reading into the text? It may be . But we know Jesus was Sent to be the savior of whole world - it would be pretty odd if he didnt pray for that which he had come to save. Yes, He went through the Jews but He always goes through a smaller group to eventually minister to the larger group.
He also answered prayers and requests from gentiles. If he hadn't that would be a strong stand against ministering to 'the world' but he did . Even dogs deserve crumbs .
How does this relate to thanking God for the suffering in the world or not? A great deal of that suffering is the burden if a fallen world. They truly are like an animal who doesn't understand what is happening to them . But WE should understand- we can thank Him for our trials - we can cry out to Him ! We know he will work all things together for the good of Those who love Him, those Called according to His Purpose. We know there is reserrection after death . Our suffering has a great deal of meaning - and if it doesn 't well maybe our focus has shifted from the Cross to our comfort and cares. W hich is all too easy to do.
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I agree that it is the sum of His Word that we should pay very close attention to - and you make very good points about Jesus the Saviour of the World.
We must not only love Our God with all that we have, but we must also love our neighbour (which is everyone else) as ourselves.
Above all Our God is Love, and we are to follow and obey His Commandments to Love each other and our neighbours. Love conquers evil, as evil never conquers evil.
Kind Regards,
George
stello:
Good point Kat, I can see how i was being insensitive. I pray that God will help me to be a good steward of the knowledge He has given me.
George you make a good point which is tied into the above.
I am still growing and i will trust God to guide and direct me. I made a mistake here with my prayer but i believe God is faithful to forgive me. Thank you all for your advice and encouragement.
I am thankful for you all!! 8)
stello
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on August 23, 2016, 04:20:47 AM ---octoberose -
You make a good point about compassion:
--- Quote from: octoberose on August 23, 2016, 12:46:34 AM --- It could be that your wife thought that you lacked compassion, and that was disturbing to her. I am not thankful for all the suffering and all the pain. I am thankful that God will work all things out till He is All in All and I am very aware that His ways are not my ways. And I do pray for the world. I guess that's another discussion.
Matthew 9:36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
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Someone else has mentioned on this Post that Jesus did not pray for the world; and I thought these two Scriptures may help us to try to understand a little better on how we are to pray:
John 17:9: KJV:
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
John 18:36: KJV:
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I think perhaps, these do not make it clear on how and for whom we should pray for - and perhaps, we should all read again Ray's Post on 'praying by God's Rules':
http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm
Unless I have disobeyed Our Heavenly Father, I also have, and still do, pray for those 'of' the world, as I have been burdened to.
Kind Regards.
George
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I think you were right the first time George. But I am open if someone can show me where Jesus actually prayed directly for the world.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
These are not nice words about the world. The world's time is coming.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
You make an interesting Point about the 'world':
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on August 23, 2016, 03:01:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on August 23, 2016, 04:20:47 AM ---octoberose -
You make a good point about compassion:
--- Quote from: octoberose on August 23, 2016, 12:46:34 AM --- It could be that your wife thought that you lacked compassion, and that was disturbing to her. I am not thankful for all the suffering and all the pain. I am thankful that God will work all things out till He is All in All and I am very aware that His ways are not my ways. And I do pray for the world. I guess that's another discussion.
Matthew 9:36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
--- End quote ---
Someone else has mentioned on this Post that Jesus did not pray for the world; and I thought these two Scriptures may help us to try to understand a little better on how we are to pray:
John 17:9: KJV:
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
John 18:36: KJV:
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I think perhaps, these do not make it clear on how and for whom we should pray for - and perhaps, we should all read again Ray's Post on 'praying by God's Rules':
http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm
Unless I have disobeyed Our Heavenly Father, I also have, and still do, pray for those 'of' the world, as I have been burdened to.
Kind Regards.
George
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I think you were right the first time George. But I am open if someone can show me where Jesus actually prayed directly for the world.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
These are not nice words about the world. The world's time is coming.
--- End quote ---
I note that Jesus did not say 'I pray not for those men and women in or of the world' but 'I pray not for the world' - and I was going to mention this before, but decided not to - as it is not something that I think Ray taught on, with respect to 'prayer'.
It appears to me, that the 'world' may not be referring to 'any men and women in or of the world'.
If so, could it be referring to anything that is outside of 'The Kingdom of God' - which is another kingdom, 'The Kingdom of Satan' - and Jesus did confirm that Satan indeed had an undivided kingdom.
What do you think Dennis.
Kind Regards.
George
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