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Get out of babylon
Brenda:
Hi George, I too grew up in Babylon for many years, followed the traditions of men. When I came upon Bible-Truths, I cried for days (months). For the first time in my life, I realized, if you are dragged by GOD, he will set you free. I have gained so much from Ray's teaching and have studied GOD's Word daily (and continue to do so, praise GOD) and I can only tell you that GOD's Will, will be done! This Forum has saved my life and I thank GOD daily.
cheekie3:
Brenda -
Thank you so much for sharing this:
--- Quote from: Brenda on September 08, 2016, 03:06:40 AM ---Hi George, I too grew up in Babylon for many years, followed the traditions of men. When I came upon Bible-Truths, I cried for days (months). For the first time in my life, I realized, if you are dragged by GOD, he will set you free. I have gained so much from Ray's teaching and have studied GOD's Word daily (and continue to do so, praise GOD) and I can only tell you that GOD's Will, will be done! This Forum has saved my life and I thank GOD daily.
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I too, got the answers I was craving for over many years when I read Ray's Papers and emails, and I shed tears too.
The Truth indeed does set us all free.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
Thank you for reminding us of the important difference between the "the called" and the "called AND chosen":
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 08, 2016, 01:18:47 AM ---Largeli, this should help too.
From Ray:
I have said many times in this series that there are "the called" and there are the "called AND chosen." We see it in every example: Jesus called Peter
"And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter… and He said unto them, Follow Me…" (Matt. 4:18-19),
and so Peter followed Jesus
"And they straightway left their nets, and FOLLOWED Him." (Ver. 20)
And so Peter followed Jesus for three and one-half years. But Peter was not converted:
"And the Lord said, Simon [Peter], Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not: and WHEN YOU ARE CONVERTED, strengthen your brethren" (Luke 22:31-32).
Called and Called and Chosen. The "chosen" are not a breed apart, though I'll admit to sometimes using language that might imply that. It isn't that there are these "called folks" over here and then there are these "chosen folks" over there. "Many are called, few are chosen" doesn't imply otherwise. Many are called, yes...and it is from among them that few are chosen.
The rest of that little snippet is invaluable too.
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This is indeed a fundamental Truth that most professing Christians and followers of Jesus Christ are unaware of this distinction - or how - one starts as one of "the called" and then may become one of the "called AND chosen".
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Kat - Thank you for your below Post:
--- Quote from: Kat on September 07, 2016, 09:43:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on September 07, 2016, 03:06:39 PM ---
So I do not know at what part of my life 'I fell away' from 'my first love' - as it has never entered my heart and mind to leave Him at any time - as when He reached out to me - I gave up everything for Him - to the amazement of all my family and those close to me.
Maybe, you can see from the above summary, when I fell away from my first love - as I cannot quite see it - the only possible time is when I accepted the false teachings of the AOG PC and Derek Prince's false teachings.
Kind Regards.
George
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Hi George, I can't know when you may have fallen away from your first love, even with your summary I am not able to know when things that are very specific to each of us happened with you. But I will give you my understanding of things the best that I can.
For one thing we are not born with a knowledge of God, even if we are raised within a family of church goers, there is a point in time when we can have a comprehension of God, but I too cannot remember a time when I did not know there was a God. The thing is we have to develop the understanding that we need to be saved from sin and death and learn that Christ is the only way that is possible. Now I do not know when this real 'first love' might have dawned in your mind.
I was raised as a Southern Baptist and it was a rather big deal that people make a public announcement of their fate in God as their Savior... every Sunday church service ended with an 'alter call' just for this purpose. Children coming forward was not only allowed but encouraged (after a certain age of course, they were loosely questioned to see if they actually knew what they were doing), because they believe children go to hell too. I think I was about 6 or 7 when I was baptized. I have seen many of these 'invitation to accept Christ' where people come forward to dedicate their lives to Him and some times it was a pretty emotional event for them and I don't think it was just for show either. I'm not for sure, but I believe that most religions have some sort of induction ceremony after a person decides to commit to that institution's particular set of beliefs, join as a member.
When we join with a church or any religious belief system, even our own idea of what truth is I suppose, we begin to build our 'false' spiritual house on the sand. Every "born again" Christian truly believe they are saved, when I was in church I too thought I had salvation, I didn't know any better, as all Christians are deceived. But this is the way it must be, that we learn our lesson of good and evil and being among the called we do learn the basics of who Christ is and why He came into the world. So what I'm saying is we do not have the Holy Spirit indwelling from birth and it certainly is not given when we join a harlot church, nor does it come with any of our own attempts to gain salvation.
I was a non-commented Southern Baptist early in my life, even though I was baptized as a child, but as a young adult I heard Herbert Armstrong and started attending WCG, was re-baptized and was very commented to that group for 15 year. When that organization began to disintegrate I left and went back to the Southern Baptist for 10 more years, ugh. That leads me to where I found BT some 10 years ago. What I see in all that we first have to get a big dose of an experience of good and evil, we have to know what this world really is by our own experience in it. We have to be called and learn who Christ is to start with, that certainly was not our begettal of the Holy Spirit, no that was deception. The called have no real spiritual understanding, that is building your 'false' spiritual house on sand. Spiritual knowledge of the truth only comes after all of that trying to save ourselves (that's what it really is), that all must come down. It's a rather jolting thing at first, to realize how wrong we have been, but it's a process that last the rest of our lives unlearning all the falsehood, but that's when the Holy Spirit comes indwelling. It was not until I started reading Ray's explanations of Scripture that my 'false' spiritual house built on sand fail and great was it's fall.
I have a real hope now, as I can see a distinct and profound difference from my wanderings in the church world and what I have now. I can certainly look back and see many changes in my way of thinking and living. What I gained from the Scripture as Ray taught it is much different than I understood in the church. Now I can see what is taught from the Scripture itself, I mean you have to come to understand the Scripture and not just what somebody tells you it means, that's a profound difference. Certainly it takes time, but having a teacher like Ray was a huge benefit.
So after saying all this maybe something will help you, but this is just my experience as I understand things.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I was at the end of a ten point response to you - when suddenly when I touched the mouse on our computer, my draft disappeared.
As I do not believe in coincidences or randomness - I have pondered on this - and as yet - I have not a clue as to why this happened.
Perhaps, my draft was not quite right - so I will reflect on this - and await His Directive on this matter.
Kind Regards.
George
lareli:
Dave your quote..
Simply...unless a man's faith is in vain (literally, fake), then yes those chosen of God are chosen out of/from among believers in Christ. The MANY say unto Him, "Lord, Lord..." The MANY come in His name, saying He is the Christ and deceive many. These are "christians", whether main-stream, self-styled or home-brewed. Who else could He be talking about here? Their faith is "real" enough, and sometimes their works are "wonderful". They make up THE CHURCH, but they are not HIS CHURCH. HIS CHURCH comes out of/from among THE CHURCH.
In the verses you've referenced above, that the many say unto Him "Lord, Lord..", is it of any consequence that the scripture you're referencing doesn't actually say "the many" but Christ says "many will come to me and say 'Lord, Lord..' " He says 'many will say' not 'the many will say...'
I don't know if that's of any consequence or not.
Also where you said the many make up The Church but not His Church. So The Church (not His Church) is the synagogue of satan is that right? Ok wouldn't a mosque or any other pagan temple also be a church of satans? Maybe not huh... maybe 'synagogue' of satan implies a specific religion... Does synagogue of satan imply that the Jewish temples as well as Christian churches are where the many and called are located? Are synagogues and churches what make up the church (not His Church) while mosques and other false religions temples/churches are not the synagogue of satan and not the church, the many?
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