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Get out of babylon
cheekie3:
Dave in Tenn -
Good 'un!
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--- Quote from: Terry on September 14, 2016, 07:36:06 PM ---I hate to say it but I struggle with watching the news however God is dealing with me on that, I'm at the point that I don't feel the need to vote anymore though part of me wants to,the lesser evil if you will. Are we not to be concerned with the affairs of whats going on in the country we live in , so what I'm asking is when my favorite news comes on should I mow the lawn or split wood instead
Terry
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Or...you could split the lawn and mow the wood. ;D
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I must try this.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Dennis -
These Scriptures you Posted clarify things:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 14, 2016, 06:55:33 PM ---
--- Quote ---You said that the beast is "a great political system"
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I don't think it's political as much as the world's system.
Rev_18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev_18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev_18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
A little digging will reveal more ...
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I do not fully understand this statement:
I don't think it's political as much as the world's system.
If the world system is one of international 'merchants', how can it not be political - as Nations are governed, and government is political.
Or, do you mean, the whole world 'merchants' system is more than just political?
Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here.
Thank you.
Kind Regards.
George
octoberose:
Though I still see the passages of scripture where Paul uses his Roman citizenship to save his life
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10. But Paul said, "I stand before the judgment seat of Caesar, where I have the right to be judged . . . 11. For on the one hand, if I am a wrongdoer and have done anything worthy of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is no truth in their accusations against me, no one can deliver me over to them. I appeal to Caesar" (Acts 25)
You pay taxes as you should. You obey laws as long as they do not violate your conscience before God. You may be an ambassador for Christ, but your passport says your home country. Your public schools are run with your money. Think about that. The military is run with your money. So to sit back and say you are above it all is disingenuous to me. We are In this world , just not of it.
I have a friend who, for the most part, watches no news because she hates getting wrapped up in it all- but she is a voracious reader and will read all about it when a book comes out. But i have to say that ignorance is not especially attractive to me. Obession is not attractive either so balance is key.
This life is about our hearts, not about laws. I am free in Christ and With that freedom I still vote. To not would violate my conscience- for many of you it would violate your conscience to vote. Though I have to admit, if ever I was not goung to vote this would be the year for it. So don't vote - I do not much care . The system does not care either as long as you send every dollar you make in January, February, March and probably April.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on September 15, 2016, 04:56:14 AM ---Dennis -
These Scriptures you Posted clarify things:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 14, 2016, 06:55:33 PM ---
--- Quote ---You said that the beast is "a great political system"
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I don't think it's political as much as the world's system.
Rev_18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev_18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev_18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
A little digging will reveal more ...
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I do not fully understand this statement:
I don't think it's political as much as the world's system.
If the world system is one of international 'merchants', how can it not be political - as Nations are governed, and government is political.
Or, do you mean, the whole world 'merchants' system is more than just political?
Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here.
Thank you.
Kind Regards.
George
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1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Kat:
--- Quote from: largeli on September 14, 2016, 05:48:26 PM ---Kat
Verse 9 in Rev 17 says "this calls for a mind with wisdom". Perhaps this is why I'm confused with your post... I've never claimed to be wise.
You said that the beast is "a great political system"
Here's Rev 17:9-11
This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
So when it says the seven heads are seven hills, and also kings, so on and so forth.... Are all these also political systems? The beast is an eighth king. If by 'king' it means a great political system does that mean the other seven 'kings' are also great political systems? Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come... Are all these political systems?
Later in verse 16
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
So the church (whore) rides the political system (beast) thinking she can control it/use it.. but the political system (beast) will hate the church (prostitute) the political system will bring the church to ruin, leave her naked; eat her flesh and burn her with fire?
Again I do not claim to be wise so if this is obvious to anyone please be patient.
Not to be 'political' but it is fascinating to me to see how ferociously American Christians are attacking the National Anthem protests of professional sports athletes for the last couple weeks. The woman (American Christians) is breathing fire towards any acts of blasphemy against their other god... the beast, the state, the political construct who's symbol is the flag.
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My way of looking at the symbolism in prophecies is that they are not specific about a person, place or thing, but rather a way of speaking in general terms.
Ray gave us what some of these symbols, the woman - church, there in Revelation 17 is riding a beast.
Rev 17:3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was controlled by blasphemy. It had seven heads and ten horns. (ISV)
Rev 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
Notice that the beast has seven (7) heads... Ray spoke of this number 7 in relation to the 7 churches meaning completeness in his LoF article #7 'Church Heresy Came Long Before Bible Errors.'
Rev 17:9 This calls for a mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is sitting. They are also seven kings.
So we have 7 heads, that are 7 kings, that are 7 mountains on this beast that the woman rides... it seems to me this is speaking of all (the complete) carnal, corrupt world's governments of this age. It's the church and state, all the kings/rulers/presidents/dictators/czars/Popes/Archbishop or whatever, these are the mountains, the high ruling places/governments of the world in this age - this is the completely picture of what it's all about. All the religious rulers and all the national governments are in bed together, so to speak, but they are not friends, they more like hate each other, because they are both highly ambitious and sinister and they manipulate (I can't think of enough derogatory terms to use), but they wreak havoc with impunity.
This is the world we live in, both the governing body - those that make policy and laws that direct society and the religious leaders - those that direct to moral code of the citizens, are corrupt through and through and are working together to gain all the carnal worldly pleasures they can get, at the expense of the general populace. That's just the way of this age and nothing will/can change it until Christ returns.
So if that's what you want to participate in, then vote... or maybe do something useful like cut the grass or chop wood.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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