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Clean Meat and Unclean Meat
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you for pointing this out:
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So I am asking - as we are still flesh and blood today, what, if anything, do we need to not eat - and I know that we not to eat anything that has been strangled, and I believe we must ensure that we do not eat the blood of the animals (so I assume it must not be cooked raw, or semi-raw, but actually cooked):
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Hi George, even that last bit in this question, "we not to eat anything that has been strangled, and I believe we must ensure that we do not eat the blood of the animals (so I assume it must not be cooked raw, or semi-raw, but actually cooked)" I do not believe is a requirement now... that was to easy the new Gentile converts into socializing with the Jews.
What I believe is that each person must determine for themselves what is the right way to eat and that will differ quite a bit, but nothing we eat is wrong or a sin, now it certainly can become an idol of the heart. Some make a great deal of effort to eat right, where as others don't give what they eat a second thought.
Now is there health considerations? Maybe so, but can any one of us add one hour to our lives by how we eat? Isn't this just another form of trying to control our destiny?
Luke 12:25 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
What I trying to say is how well we eat does not determine that we will live longer or even be healthier, not really... there are thousands of factors that come into play in the circumstances of our health and we do not control any of it. So why burden ourselves with eating rules? And of more concern is why would we want to burden others with 'our' ideas of proper eating?
In the past I have looked into many proper eating/living approaches... in my searches I found more than I could possibly read on a great number of different topics of healthy living. I soon began finding contradictory information and differences in what degrees and how one should even apply certain methods... the more I read the more bogged down in all the info and confused I became. I began to realize that the nutritionist experts were all extremist in their own area of knowledge.
But I'm not necessarily saying throw out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. What I do now is just eat what seems sensible to me, I do the best I can in my particular life circumstances and eat certain things in moderation. But even this idea is not for everybody, to each his own... anyway it is not up to us what God has in store for us by the choices we make.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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These 'specialist' contradictions is the reason I asked the question in the first place - as I wanted to know what the Truth of this matter is from God's revealed Word.
We all know that He is in control of all things and is 'responsible' for all things - including what we should eat.
If our food is being poisoned and contaminated for evil purposes to keep us sickly and dumbed down - what are the 'called out called out ones' to do about it - for themselves and those they pray for - plus the others who are currently lost.
If by prayer, these poisons / chemicals cannot harm the 'called out called out ones' and those they pray for - what about the lost - does Our Heavenly Father Will that these are inflicted so, as part of their experiencing the 'knowledge of good and evil'.
Or, is the food fine, and we are being lied to to keep us in fear and timid.
I suppose, it is similar to raise the issue of our poor brothers and sisters who struggle in pain with lack of food and proper healthcare / medicine - probably one of the most raised questions by those who doubt there is a loving God, because of all the evil in the world.
Maybe, it is as simple as 'who am I to question why are things thus, and why has He worked out for these things to be thus at this time'.
After all, He has promised to 'feed' us, like He does the birds - and we should not worry about such things.
Maybe, this whole 'good food' issue, is one method He uses for mankind to focus on 'why we are here, and is this all here by accident, or by design - and if by design - should I / we seek the Truth of these things - and ask the giver of life why?'.
Cancer and Dementia are very big concerns today, and 'treatments' do not 'cure' these - yet the Old Testament promises health to our bodies and minds if we obey His Commandments - and there are natural remedies to cure our minds and bodies. I guess this is the heart of the matter.
Personally, I do not want to be concerned about what I eat and drink - as we can make this a religion.
But when you have believing family members who suffer from Dementia, it forces us, to seek His Face about such things.
I used to believe that our bodies crave what they need - yet some of us are addicted to drinks and foods that are harmful to us.
He has scripted what each of us shall do each and every second of our lives, including what we eat and drink - and there is nothing that we can do to change one iota of this.
I used to say, and still say, I am not concerned about protecting my back - as He is my Protector.
Perhaps, I should also say, I will eat and drink what is available to me and trust that He will ensure that my mind and body gets the right nourishment and minerals - and forget about the possible harm from eating pork, etc.
I mean, I know nuts are good for all of us, especially almonds, who some say are the king of nuts. Yet some cannot eat nuts as they cause them harm.
To side track a little - I have researched and studied why people 'smoke cigarettes' and 'drink fizzy drinks' - and these are harmful and not beneficial at all. I have never understood why men and women smoke, as to me the harm they do is obvious, and that is why I have never smoked - and to the peer pressure others tried to place on me to try - like calling me 'chicken' - I rebutted with questions like 'why? what good will it do you or me?' and they got fed up with trying to persuade me to 'smoke'. My father smoked for 61 years, and in the end he told me that he wished he never started - and towards the end of his life, he had no problem giving them up, and chewed gum instead, without going to a clinic or 'cold turkey' - he just decided one day, no more. I did 'drink fizzy drinks' myself, as it did not occur to me that they would sell drinks that are harmful to us. Once I studied what the ingredients are in 'fizzy drinks' I stopped drinking these. Yet, I have family members who 'like the taste' and 'it makes them feel better' - and I watch them 'drink fizzy' and tell them to drink water instead - but still (in spite of my many, many, many prayers over so many, many years), they still drink this stuff.
The bottom line must be that we all depend on Our Heavenly Father to Protect and Guide us in what we should eat and drink (as He has written His Laws in our hearts and in our minds), and He cares for us.
Thank you all for all of your very helpful Posts.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
indianabob -
Thank you for sharing this:
--- Quote from: indianabob on September 06, 2016, 03:41:14 AM ---Perhaps we could gain a little more understanding of the physical aspects of this clean meat question by inquiring of the very young among us.
This little girl is obviously emotional in her responses, but it seems quite natural to feel that way. And I sympathize...because I was once young myself. ;)
I-bob
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kind-hearted-girl-explains-why-000700805.html
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One of my sisters, when one of our uncles laughed and killed a chicken in front of her when she was quite young, made her choose not to eat any animal or fish and she became a vegan from that time forward. She is a believer and has a family who do eat meat, and she does cook meat, as she accepts that it is up to each of us to decide what we should eat and not eat.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Joel -
Thank you for Posting this:
--- Quote from: Joel on September 05, 2016, 01:32:26 PM ---Re: Clean Meat and unclean meat
1st Timothy 4:1-5
1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the FAITH, giving heed to seducing spirits, and the doctrines of devils;
2- Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3-Forbiding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4-For EVERY creature of God is GOOD, and nothing to be refused, IF it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
5-For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Joel
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That has been my understanding for a very long time.
But lately, with all these health and food issues all around us, I decided to check my understanding and confirm what He Commands us is good for us.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
John from Kentucky -
Thank you for Posting this. It is very helpful:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 05, 2016, 03:24:24 PM ---...but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Romans 14:2
George, you are free to not eat meat. You are free to eat meat. The New Covenant does not have a bunch of food rules.
The gist of Romans 14 is we are not to judge one another over food matters, and by implication over other minor things.
We are called to peace and freedom in Jesus. The Spirit of God guides us in all things.
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I have a sister who is a vegan and a believer.
I know we are free to choose whether we eat meat or not.
My point was whether there are still clean and unclean animals that we are Commanded to eat and not eat.
There has been a lot of very good spiritual and Scriptural Wisdom Posted on this Topic; and I am very grateful for all the input.
Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
John from Kentucky -
Thank you. You make a very good point:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 04, 2016, 03:02:57 AM ---I am always amused by wannabe teachers who go into great detail quoting Scriptures in the original languages and discussing fine points of Hebrew and Greek grammar for the benefit of us ignorant ones. I observe in the Scriptures that Jesus, Paul, John, and other teachers never used that teaching method.
God's Elect are taught by Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Physical religious teachers have no understanding.
Jesus said His Words are Spirit and they are Life.
The Old Covenant and teachings are done away. Clean and unclean meats refer to the difference between the Elect and those not chosen at this time. Jesus fulfilled all things in Himself.
Jesus has set us free from the false teachings of the great false church and its teacher Satan.
Do not allow false teachers to imprison you if Jesus has set you free.
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That is why I sought the Truth on this matter from Our Saviour and His Word - as I do not have any trust in mankind (and its teachings in and out of churches) - as we only have One Teacher - Jesus Christ Himself by His Holy Spirit (in us).
He sanctifies the food His Children eat with their prayers and thanksgiving.
Kind Regards.
George
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