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Clean Meat and Unclean Meat
cheekie3:
All -
The Posts have been very enlightening.
Thank you for all of your Posts.
We seem to have a difference of view, in that some, believe The Scriptures confirm that there is no food that is unclean; and others, believe that there are some foods that are still unclean to eat.
I have waited patiently to observe how these Posts would reveal the Truths of Scriptures.
So I am asking - as we are still flesh and blood today, what, if anything, do we need to not eat - and I know that we not to eat anything that has been strangled, and I believe we must ensure that we do not eat the blood of the animals (so I assume it must not be cooked raw, or semi-raw, but actually cooked):
Acts 15:29 (KJV):
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
1 Timothy 4:3 (KJV):
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Hebrews 9:10 (KJV):
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Hebrews 13:9 (KJV):
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Then there are these Scriptures:
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
It appears that the ordinances that no longer apply under The New Covenant include meats - which appear to mean that there are no longer clean and unclean meats.
I wonder why, The New Testament Scriptures do not clearly state that 'there is now no unclean meats for mankind not to eat'.
I have never been one to diet - but lately I have become very mindful about the quality and benefits of the food available to us from our supermarkets, markets and other sources.
I have for many years accepted that as long as we accept the food is good for us with thanksgiving, it is sanctified by Our Heavenly Father; with the exception if it offends a brother or sister at the same table, if it was offered to idols, if it was strangled, and if there was still blood in the meat.
Lately, there is a lot about the food we eat from cans, GMO, etc - and hence I started a new research into the whole thing on what we can eat.
I mean, there are a lot of professing believers who have health issues, including being over weight, having bad circulation, etc - and there are a lot of non meat foods (fruit, berries, leaves, nuts, herbs, etc), that are stated as being very good for the mind and body.
I stopped eating meat a few months ago, and I do not miss it at all. I am not saying I am better in mind and body, but I am certainly not worse.
Once again, thank you all for your Posts - and there have been a number of very good points raised backed up by The Holy Scriptures.
Kind Regards.
George
John from Kentucky:
...but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Romans 14:2
George, you are free to not eat meat. You are free to eat meat. The New Covenant does not have a bunch of food rules.
The gist of Romans 14 is we are not to judge one another over food matters, and by implication over other minor things.
We are called to peace and freedom in Jesus. The Spirit of God guides us in all things.
Kat:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on September 05, 2016, 01:51:40 PM ---
So I am asking - as we are still flesh and blood today, what, if anything, do we need to not eat - and I know that we not to eat anything that has been strangled, and I believe we must ensure that we do not eat the blood of the animals (so I assume it must not be cooked raw, or semi-raw, but actually cooked):
--- End quote ---
Hi George, even that last bit in this question, "we not to eat anything that has been strangled, and I believe we must ensure that we do not eat the blood of the animals (so I assume it must not be cooked raw, or semi-raw, but actually cooked)" I do not believe is a requirement now... that was to easy the new Gentile converts into socializing with the Jews.
What I believe is that each person must determine for themselves what is the right way to eat and that will differ quite a bit, but nothing we eat is wrong or a sin, now it certainly can become an idol of the heart. Some make a great deal of effort to eat right, where as others don't give what they eat a second thought.
Now is there health considerations? Maybe so, but can any one of us add one hour to our lives by how we eat? Isn't this just another form of trying to control our destiny?
Luke 12:25 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
What I trying to say is how well we eat does not determine that we will live longer or even be healthier, not really... there are thousands of factors that come into play in the circumstances of our health and we do not control any of it. So why burden ourselves with eating rules? And of more concern is why would we want to burden others with 'our' ideas of proper eating?
In the past I have looked into many proper eating/living approaches... in my searches I found more than I could possibly read on a great number of different topics of healthy living. I soon began finding contradictory information and differences in what degrees and how one should even apply certain methods... the more I read the more bogged down in all the info and confused I became. I began to realize that the nutritionist experts were all extremist in their own area of knowledge.
But I'm not necessarily saying throw out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. What I do now is just eat what seems sensible to me, I do the best I can in my particular life circumstances and eat certain things in moderation. But even this idea is not for everybody, to each his own... anyway it is not up to us what God has in store for us by the choices we make.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Dave in Tenn:
Colin, I attempted in my last post to "answer" your questions about serious sins mentioned in these ordinances. Let me try again being a bit more specific.
I've made no secret over the years here that essentially what I am running in my life is an "experiment". It's not enough for me to have "doctrine" down pat. I want to know from experience what all these truths in the Scripture are about. I'm a bit of a special case (there's an understatement for ya). I didn't come "here" thinking I just needed a little trim around the edges. I am/have been full to overflowing with all manner of sin. You don't want to be me. But if it's true that where sin abounded, grace did much more abound, I'm a pretty good case-study. He's got a LOT to work with. HUGE sample-size.
On that score, let me tell you two things.
1. The greatest and most hurtful "lusts" I have both battled and wallowed in are not all specifically "forbidden" by any law or ordinance--Old Testament or new. Yet even a babe in understanding can see the "spirit" behind the words of Christ concerning them. The whole of the law IS encapsulated in the two great commandments. Why would any believer who has any measure of the Spirit of God need a law that condemns sex with animals? I think anybody who does cannot call themselves "converted".
2. I've found over time that the more I resist the many pulls of carnal religion and place my FAITH in the Savior, the looser the grip other lusts have over me. This is NOT the way of the world or of worldly religion. You know this. I had my first brush with this when I was 18, but the heat came and I withered. This is quite the opposite of the way of the world and religion, and as an "observer" of my own life, it surprised me at first. Now I've grown more comfortable with it. I can't explain it any other way than that...He is working in me to both will and do His good pleasure. That He's got His work cut out for Him goes without saying, but what is impossible for a man is possible with God.
indianabob:
Perhaps we could gain a little more understanding of the physical aspects of this clean meat question by inquiring of the very young among us.
This little girl is obviously emotional in her responses, but it seems quite natural to feel that way. And I sympathize...because I was once young myself. ;)
I-bob
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kind-hearted-girl-explains-why-000700805.html
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