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Daniel, veganism and meat
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: largeli on October 27, 2016, 06:11:59 PM ---Is there a spiritual component to paying for and consuming tortured animals versus humanely raised animals?
I couldn't do the things that people do to factory farmed animals myself, so there's a spiritual component of hypocrisy for me to pay someone else to do the dirty work. Animals that are suffering from birth to death. I wonder what biological changes occur in an animal that is constantly stressed, afraid, and suffering. Could their suffering be transferred to the consumer on some spiritual level? I dunno.
Alex maybe you could help here. Do biological changes ocacur when someone is constantly stressed/afraid? Is it different for animals?
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Hi Largeli,
Without going into crazy detail, in short, biological changes do occur. You feel those changes when you are afraid and stressed.
There are many changes that occur from central nervous (increased sympathetic tone) and endocrine (hormonal, i.e. increased cortisol release, glucagon etc..) which vastly alter the physiology of the organism. If the stress does not subside, with time, prolonged periods ranging from months to years, pathological and irreversible damage can occur to the organ systems and be detrimental ultimately to the organism. Its why people that are always stressed have increased blood pressure and increased risk for heart attacks, etc... Obviously there are infinitely more risks for those disease states but chronic stress can compound existing risk factors and be the 'straw that broke the camels back so to speak.'
Now the big question is really whether you can 'eat this stress.'
In short, no. Again, without going into too much detail, cooking food denatures enzymes and hormones (which are proteins like cortisol) and render them biologicaly inert. Once they enter your stomach they are further obliterated by the acidic environemt and the follow digestive enzymes which break apart these enzymes and hormones into their most basic inactive parts like monosacharides, lipids, and amino acids.
There are RARE exceptions like the cause behind 'mad cow disease' which turns out to be a misfolded protein that causes other proteins of the same type to misfold creating a perpetual chain of increasingly larger missfolded proetien mass that eventually crowds out and destroys the surrounding tissue. This large group is so tightly folded and dysfunctional that it is resistant to temperatures above normal cooking ranges so it doesn't get destroyed in the cooking process and is resistant to extremely acidic environments like your stomach so it can be ingested and wreak havoc on a person. But when was the last time you heard of someone contracting this extremely rare disease? I think in humans they call it the jacob kilndfelt disease or something. Don't quote me on the spelling. Now this condition itself is not know well how it originally develops to be contracted later but its believed to be due to an inherited mutation in some protein in the brain or due to a denovo mutation which occurs in the individual.
Dear John,
Very sorry about your situation. Know that you and your mother are in my prayers. We can't change His mind but you never know what He has planned. God willing the doctors will figure out what is wrong so they can treat her.
Please keep me up to date if you can!
God bless,
Alex
octoberose:
John, your mom is blessed to have you there with her, being her advocate and giving her the care she needs. Praying that answers will come and health will be restored if God wills it. I've never 'heard' you so rattled. I'm sorry - I know it's hard.
octoberose:
I'm glad this post was helpful to someone.
I don't mean to imply that good health, or a strong body equals spiritual health or indicates 'salvation'. Of course not. Our bodies could be our own idol. We could think that we are keeping ourselves alive and well, and not the will of God. Human beings could use anything in the world as an idol and have (golden calf anyone?). We are so corrupt when left to our own devices.
However,
when I have a migraine and it's because I ate something that I know can be a trigger, who am I hurting? I'm hurting not just myself but those who have to take care of me or who I cannot help because I'm at home sick in bed. It's happened many times. And I'm left with wondering what in the world is wrong with me.
Loving ourselves is part of what we're told to do and I think it's not a bad thing to consider what that means for each of us.
"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church - for we are members of his body." (Ephesians 5:28-30) So there we are, instruction to feed and care for our own bodies. The physical showing us the way to the spiritual.
lilitalienboi16:
Dear All,
It has come to my attention that my posts, especially my reply to george on this page, where offensive and rude.
To George, I am deeply sorry, I meant no offense what so ever. What I said I said in love. If you can believe that... The internet makes it hard to get those feelings across, especially when what you are writing is meant to correct and educate. Its a little easier when we all speak the same language as with scripture but in medicine and all the science involved, its hard, its like i'm speaking another language that even I don't know how to communicate at times.
This is why I was hesitant to join this discussion. It appears I should not participate in these discussions regarding disease, health, nutrition, medicine, vaccines, etc... any longer. I have not figured out a way to communicate what I've learned without it either sounding alien or come off as condescending and arrogant.
Again, George, you know my heart is filled with a deep sincere love for you and I'm so sorry if I hurt you. I am ashamed if that is the case. I can see in my own post where my words may have wounded and I should have been softer, slower, more compassionate, or simply said nothing at all. I think I tried to say too much in one post that could have been broken down into smaller, nicer, slower pieces.
I am making this apology public to anyone else who felt offended by my post. I am sorry to you as well. Know that I care and love you all and my intention was never to wound. I regret how I responded. I just don't know how to deal with the misinformation and the disparity of knowledge that exists in regards to these subjects and the various levels of understanding that everyday folks acquire from their own studies. As you can see I have wrestled with this issue before. I see similar discussions on my facebook page all the time between friends but I stay out of it. I should have done likewise here. I'm still learning.. i'll figure this out God willing. Worst comes to worst i'll just stay out of these discussions. If you ever need my opinion, it'll be there for you.
Sincerely,
Alex
lostANDfound:
It's nice to see you owning your mistakes like that Alex. It shows some maturity.
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