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Daniel, veganism and meat
John from Kentucky:
Alex,
Never regret speaking the truth about anything. Remember Jesus saying that the truth will set us free. Also, recall the motto of this website, "Exposing Those Who Contradict".
Statements have been made in this thread that do not agree with Scripture. That they did not eat meat before the flood. Yet we have Adam's son Abel who was a Shepherd. He sacrificed the best of his flock to God Who accepted his sacrifice. So, did Abel raise his sheep as pets.? Or did he eat their wool? Or, is it possible, that he killed the sheep he raised and ate their meat to feed himself and others? Which is what shepherds do.
But the best scriptural proof that it is O.K. to eat meat is that Jesus ate meat. The best meat. Good red beef meat.
In Genesis 18, Yahweh (Jesus) met with Abraham under the oak trees of Mamre. Abraham fed Jesus a meal of beef, bread, and some kind of cheese or butter dish (animal byproducts).
Abraham not only fed Him the unpardonable beef, but it was young tender beef or veal.
Just think of that. Mean old Abraham may have taken the young calf from its mother. Mother cow may have known the baby was taken to be eaten.
The Scriptures do not indicate that Yahweh spit the beef out and upbraided Abraham for feeding Him meat. Looks like Jesus scarfed all the food down without complaint.
So if Jesus ate red meat, how can it ever be wrong for us to eat red meat? A question for all the scriptural scholars out there.
cheekie3:
Alex -
Very Well Put:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on October 29, 2016, 04:17:12 PM ---George, I am relieved that you were not offended or hurt by my post. It puts my heart at ease. The last thing I want is to hurt anyone, especially with my understanding. Knowledge should not be a weapon to hurt others. There is enough suffering and pain in this world as we all walk through our experience of evil. All I have, I have received from God. My walk in life may be different than yours but it doesn't change who I am. I am nothing more than your brother in Christ first and always.
I have received much good advice from everyone on how to proceed in this matter. I see that many people value my opinion from the knowledge that God has seen fit I should receive from these earthly and worldy instructors.
I am grateful that you all are understanding and patient and willing to hear me out though I am but one voice in a sea of confusion and deception when it comes to all things health and science related.
If I speak something that is contrary to what you learned in your personal studies on these subjects know that it is not "big pharma" or "GMO" talking to you but your brother in Christ. By the grace of our Lord, I strive to be a physician first to the family and household of God, and then to his future children--I serve no one but the Lord Jesus Christ.
Medicine, health, disease, is such a personal topic. It brings many of us feelings of refreshing but also much sorrow and pain. It is only human to want to understand this monstrosity of a subject in all its complexity and to control it. Fortunately, we of all know that, the one who is in control is God Almighty and not us. None of us can stay the hand of death or disease. Knowledge cannot save and as the saying goes, "Physician, heal thyself." Even if someone knew it all, even if they were right, they will still die unless God Almighty make His appearing again soon. So rest in Him. Find health where you can. Much health is found in peace and joy in God. Perhaps the most important health is found in Him. The health of a peaceful and restful spirit. Our bodies will perish. As paul said, "even though outward man perish, inwardly we are renewed daily."
I pray everyday for His appearing. Sometimes, I weep and beg for His appearing because I am so tired of this world and all its suffering. Not simply for my own suffering but for the creations. I see how awful humanity is to itself. I see how awful disease and suffering is around the world. Sometimes tears are the only thing i can find in the face of such pain and suffering. Despite everything I know and have been given.
God bless,
Alex
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you have 'spoken' above from your heart and mind.
These words you have 'spoken' above could easily have been posted by many others here on this Forum, including myself.
I am very grateful that you have patiently with love 'spoken' these words to all of us, including yourself.
I agree that we must all be on our guard - as our enemy indeed is a deceiver, and a liar and attacks our (hearts) and minds - and it is very difficult to determine what is false and what is true.
I have been with one of my younger brothers for the last two days, as it took a long time for him to be properly diagnosed with pneumonia, and although he is a very strong man physically and very strong willed, his strength has been zapped, and he currently has a very dry throat due to the very strong antibiotics given given, causing him to have extreme difficulty in drinking and eating, and sleeping. I was amazed how many times he had to go and see Doctors and the Emergency Department before getting the correct treatment; and even then, some nurses did not do their jobs correctly - and he observed that many appeared not to care, even ignoring him, when he simply asked for more water.
Very Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
John -
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 29, 2016, 07:36:56 PM ---Hi Alex,
You asked about my mom. The last three days she has been in the hospital. Yesterday, she was near death. The doctors could not rouse her. The doctors and specialists gave her every type of test they could think of. All the tests came back negative. They could not determine the underlying cause of her problems.
The good news is today she is coming back to her old self and showing great recovery. My sister and I are taking turns being with her. The doctors determined she had a TIA or mini-stroke. The effects seem to be short term.
Better you than me becoming a doctor. I hate hospitals and being around sick people. Jesus had the best idea. Heal everybody. Thanks for asking about my mom.
John
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I too am praying and trusting Our Heavenly Father that His Will Be Done for your mother and your family.
May He Bless you all.
Very Kind Regards.
George
cheekie3:
John -
Thank you for Posting this:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on October 29, 2016, 08:26:44 PM ---Alex,
Never regret speaking the truth about anything. Remember Jesus saying that the truth will set us free. Also, recall the motto of this website, "Exposing Those Who Contradict".
Statements have been made in this thread that do not agree with Scripture. That they did not eat meat before the flood. Yet we have Adam's son Abel who was a Shepherd. He sacrificed the best of his flock to God Who accepted his sacrifice. So, did Abel raise his sheep as pets.? Or did he eat their wool? Or, is it possible, that he killed the sheep he raised and ate their meat to feed himself and others? Which is what shepherds do.
But the best scriptural proof that it is O.K. to eat meat is that Jesus ate meat. The best meat. Good red beef meat.
In Genesis 18, Yahweh (Jesus) met with Abraham under the oak trees of Mamre. Abraham fed Jesus a meal of beef, bread, and some kind of cheese or butter dish (animal byproducts).
Abraham not only fed Him the unpardonable beef, but it was young tender beef or veal.
Just think of that. Mean old Abraham may have taken the young calf from its mother. Mother cow may have known the baby was taken to be eaten.
The Scriptures do not indicate that Yahweh spit the beef out and upbraided Abraham for feeding Him meat. Looks like Jesus scarfed all the food down without complaint.
So if Jesus ate red meat, how can it ever be wrong for us to eat red meat? A question for all the scriptural scholars out there.
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I know that Abraham served meat, and meat was eaten - and I know that Cain was a shepherd. I am seeking His Understanding from His Revealed Knowledge about His Wisdom on what is acceptable for us to eat; as He is Our Teacher.
You know full well, that when you actually know a certain Truth, you know you know, and there is nothing that can shake that Truth from you.
I am not certain anymore on what we should eat, for two reasons. Firstly, the way our food is grown (both animal based and plant based), in that we really do not know what we are eating with all that is put in our food to preserve it, etc. Secondly, the growing number of mankind becoming Vegans because of the way our animals, fish and chickens / birds are treated and what they are injected with.
It may be clear to you and others on the Forum on what is acceptable for us to drink and eat, but I am researching this, as it deeply concerns me.
As I said, I used to accept and ate in prayerful thanksgiving in His Faith trusting that He would cleanse all that I drank and ate if it was poisoned or contaminated, and this included meat and fish, and eggs and dairy products.
For the record, I am not offended by anything that has been posted on this topic.
By way of a very silly comparison, I would not drink water that has been affected by whatever chemicals or whatever they put in when 'fracking' for oil, as it is far from clear and looks disgusting; and without being political, I am in full agreement, with the North Dakota native Americans that 'water is life' as there is a very high likelihood that the oil pipe may burst and contaminate their water.
And as I said, I know the spiritual aspects - but I am researching what is good and acceptable for our physical bodies, which affect our physical health and our (hearts and) minds.
What I know as Truth I 'drink and eat' as that is the way I understand it becomes a part of me (permanently).
What I am not certain about, I 'park' until He Confirms The Truth of the matter.
If He Confirms The Truth of this particular matter to me early, all well and good - otherwise, I will continue to 'seek His Face' until He Reveals His Truth to me personally.
Very Kind Regards.
George
John from Kentucky:
George,
May God guide your search for the Truth.
John
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