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Brenda:
 Jesus declared that all authority in heaven and earth was given to Him by God.
1. When did that happen?
2. Of which heaven was He speaking? The universe?

cheekie3:
Brenda -

You pose a very interesting question:


--- Quote from: Brenda on December 02, 2016, 05:43:31 AM --- Jesus declared that all authority in heaven and earth was given to Him by God.
1. When did that happen?
2. Of which heaven was He speaking? The universe?

--- End quote ---

I believe that Jesus was sent to Earth by His Heavenly Father to establish 'The Kingdom of God', as recorded in The New Testament Gospels, and The New Testament; and His Reign is over ALL in Heaven and Earth - until He (Our Heavenly Father, puts all enemies under His (Jesus') feet, when He (Jesus) will hand over The Kingdom of God to His Father).

I understand that 'Heaven' is referring to 'ALL Spiritual Beings', and 'Earth' is referring to 'ALL the kingdoms on The Earth'; so Jesus has been given 'ALL Authority' and is above 'ALL' as 'The King of kings' and The Lord of lords' in 'Heaven' and on 'Earth', and the only one above Jesus is 'His Heavenly Father'.

It depends on what you mean by the 'universe' - if you are referring to the 'Moon, the 'Sun', and the 'Stars' in 'the Firmament', then The Scriptures confirm that He knows them all by Name - so I would assume that Jesus is above these as well.

I hope this helps.

Kind Regards.

George

 

 

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Brenda on December 02, 2016, 05:43:31 AM --- Jesus declared that all authority in heaven and earth was given to Him by God.
1. When did that happen?
2. Of which heaven was He speaking? The universe?

--- End quote ---

Hi Brenda,

You have an interesting question and I'll share with you my thoughts.

The Father was in Jesus AND Jesus was in the Father at all times.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

The Fullness of the Diety, that is the Godhead, that is God, all that is Divine, was in The Messiah in Bodily form. The Christ is the Holy One who had been generating in Marry made flesh.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Deity bodily.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being an irradiated brightness of his glory and an exact representation of His very being, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of God invisible, the first begotten of each creature.

So with these things being understood, can it be said that Jesus was ever without power? Did He ever not have ALL Power?

He walked on water, He raised, the dead, He cast out demons, He forgave sins, He healed the blind, the sick, the lame. Turning water into wine. He could call twelve legions of angels down to His side. He could transfigure Himself to show His glory.

Do these things not represent Him having all power in heaven and earth? The angels and the demons cover the heavens. The sick, the lame, walking on water, turning water into wine, these things cover the earth. Raising the dead and rising Himself covers both heaven and earth.

God bless,
Alex

Dennis Vogel:
And yet:

Mar 13:32  But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

lilitalienboi16:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 02, 2016, 01:09:10 PM ---And yet:

Mar 13:32  But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

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It is possible that when He emptied Himself part of His power/Authority was limited but I don't know if that is necessarily to say that He did not have 'all power in heaven and earth.' For example, He could be killed, He could die, and someone might say, "well doesn't that represent a loss of power? And if a loss of power then how can He still retain having 'all' power?"

There in lies, perhaps, the crux of the whole discussion. What qualifies as 'ALL' power?

As another example, you seem to believe it includes having all 'KNOWLEDGE.'

I would disagree with you in that regard and I would also ask someone to prove that all the power/authority He did display as not sufficient enough to mean He has 'all power.' For I cannot think of any else needed of Him to do to prove such a statement. I am convinced by the works as to the truth of His decleration.

Certainly no mere human could do what He did, let alone unfold the Father, if He Himself was not intimately related with and of the Father.

John 14:10 The declarations which I am talking to you, from Myself I am not talking. Now the Father in Me remaining, is doing His works."

John 16:27-29
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28 I came out from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 1:18 God no one has ever seen. The only-begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He unfolds Him."

In limiting Himself, by emptying Himself, He limits also His knowledge but His power is retained sufficiently that the works of God should be made manifest to the glory of God, both Father and Son (John 17:1-5). His power retained sufficiently that it could be rightly said of Him, that all power in heaven and earth are His.

God bless,
Alex

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