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JESUS AUTHORITY/POWER
Dennis Vogel:
At this moment, who had more power?
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
The point I'm making is God the Father gave Jesus His power. As Ray has said: "The giver is greater than the receiver"
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 02, 2016, 02:28:17 PM ---At this moment, who had more power?
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
The point I'm making is God the Father gave Jesus His power. As Ray has said: "The giver is greater than the receiver"
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Hi Dennis,
Jesus layed down His life. No one took it from Him nor can take it from Him (Just as He Himself made Himself emptied). He takes it up again.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Hebrews 2:8-10
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
So I fail to see how His cry proves He lacks power. He was made low for the express purpose of dying. That was His intent and desire.
I also know ray's understanding was growing in regards to who and what God is.
I agree that emptied into flesh and made low would then make The Father greater as Jesus said, but Jesus before His emptying and after His resurrection, being restored, we are also told (atleast in respects to before He emptied Himself) was and is equal to God which makes Him equal to the Father as the Father is God.
Philippians 2:5-8 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus: In God’s own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Here is the very same though expressed by John.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Here the jews understood just how equal to God, and by implication the Father, this Messiah was before them and it enraged them all the more!
John 5:18 "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
As Thomas said,
John 20:28-29
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
God bless,
Alex
Joel:
Jesus did say he got it from the Father.
John 10:18-No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Joel
Brenda:
Wow!!! and the Holy Sprit just jumped for joy! This group is the most blessed group I have ever encountered and I thank GOD for HIS wonderful love. When going through all of these posts, I realized one thing. Man is YET so carnal. Thanks guys.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
This is a very significant Scriptural Verse:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 02, 2016, 01:09:10 PM ---And yet:
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
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Some believe that this only applied when Jesus was a flesh and blood man, before He was Resurrected with His New Spiritual Body - yet there are many New Testament Scriptures that confirm that Jesus is still a Man:
Acts 7:56 (KJV):
and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 17:31 (KJV):because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Romans 5:15 (KJV):
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Romans 5:19 (KJV):
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 Corinthans 15:47 (KJV):
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV):
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 7:24 (KJV):
but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Hebrews 10:12 (KJV):
but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Warmest Regards.
George
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