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Musterseed:
Hello my friends, hope you are all well.
I remember Ray saying" there ain't no atheists in fox holes or rubber rafts on the ocean"
My own experience with the Lord was one of paralysing fear that brought me to my knees begging for mercy and to repentance when I finally was allowed to know what was happening to me.
The Lord works on us individually right, but lately I have been wondering if this is what's happening collectively to the world itself, because there is so much fear of war, immigrant crisis,
Elections, protests etc,. I'm just thinking if anything can change people's minds(repentance) it is fear of losing jobs, homes, finances, the planet etc. Is God , was God and will be God using fear to have every knee bow and every tongue confess, in increments? I hope I was able to make my point, I'm not the best at expressing myself. Thanks 🙏🏼 Pamela
Rhys 🕊:
There has always been fear. Is there more today than in the past. Hard to imagine being through wars with bombs falling all around you that amount of fear for people. Is there more fear today or just more of it being reported.
The world is the world and will continue to be
Mat 6:25 "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Mat 6:27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
Mat 6:28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin,
Mat 6:29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Mat 6:30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
Mat 6:31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
Mat 6:32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.
Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Mat 6:34 "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Man will continue to fear and the majority will continue to do so as only a few are being saved at this time. As the passage above says but seek first the kingdom and his righteousness. How many do that, only the few.
The following passage sums up the world better than I can and it's just the same today
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
1Jn 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1Jn 4:9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
1Jn 4:10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1Jn 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1Jn 4:12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.
1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
1Jn 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
1Jn 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Jn 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1Jn 4:19 We love because he first loved us.
1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
The church will tell you that salvation is easy, a quick prayer and your there. Not true, salvation is the hardest thing you can to do. If you think dealing with the flesh will be solved with a quick prayer then you are sorely mistaken. God is doing His will in each. Nothing happens outside of His will. If there is more fear then his process of getting saved will still be the same.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,
1Pe 5:7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.
We will all have to do that with the fear we have. The point is not whether there is more fear today but an understanding for us who can see, what we do with it. We can't do this in a group. God deals with each of us in His time as He wills.
Ray must of had a good understanding of this when replying to this guy ;)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3637.msg27158.html#msg27158
Hello Mr. Smith, I have been reading your website for some time now I am praying for you for I fear that you do not wish for God to be God but a god that you can fully understand which we never will and we will have eternity a learn about Him. As to hell not existing why would God bother with heaven if no hell? Why reward with out punishment? Your logic is not sound. The lake fire appears in Revelation 19: 20 than again in Revelation 20:10-15. Do you not believe that the book of Revelation is not part of the bible? I pray that you will come to the saving knowledge fo Jesus Christ for I fear you not a saved man and will one day find yourself in that very place you so fear. Timothy
Timothy: I fear your Christian hell about as much as I fear you.
Ray
Rhys
cheekie3:
Pamela -
There are different terms for fear in the Holy Scriptures:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on December 02, 2016, 09:14:54 PM ---Hello my friends, hope you are all well.
I remember Ray saying" there ain't no atheists in fox holes or rubber rafts on the ocean"
My own experience with the Lord was one of paralysing fear that brought me to my knees begging for mercy and to repentance when I finally was allowed to know what was happening to me.
The Lord works on us individually right, but lately I have been wondering if this is what's happening collectively to the world itself, because there is so much fear of war, immigrant crisis,
Elections, protests etc,. I'm just thinking if anything can change people's minds(repentance) it is fear of losing jobs, homes, finances, the planet etc. Is God , was God and will be God using fear to have every knee bow and every tongue confess, in increments? I hope I was able to make my point, I'm not the best at expressing myself. Thanks 🙏🏼 Pamela
--- End quote ---
Here are what I recollect from the Holy Scriptures:
1. The Fear of The Lord is the beginning of Knowledge.
2. The Fear of The Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.
3. Perfect Love casteth out Fear.
4. The timid and fearful will have their part on the 'Lake of Fire' or 'The second Death'.
5. His Elect must Reverence Him and not fear man or what man can do to His Elect.
6. Love, in one respect, is the opposite of Fear.
7. Fear not and Trust in Him, as He will provide ALL your needs.
To me, these are the weapons / characteristics of Satan (from his beginning) used against mankind:
A. A Murderer.
B. A Liar.
C. A Deceiver as 'he deceives the whole world'.
D. A Tormentor of mankind as 'Fear has Torment'.
E. A Manipulator as he may speak a little Truth but always mixed with 'The Levine of The Pharisees'.
F. A Power Monger as he rules the world of mankind and its systems.
G. An Authoritarian as he demands obedience without question.
I personally do not believe any of His Elect can mix and match 'The Commandments of Almighty God' with the 'assumed authority' of 'Satan's kingdom' over 'The Kingdom of God' - as His Elect are warned that they cannot serve two masters (either His Elect Obey His Commandments or they serve the mammon of Satan).
I believe these three New Testament Scriptures are key to His Elect understanding that they must 'Fear Him' but not 'Fear Satan or what mankind can do to His Elect':
2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV):
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4:18 (KJV):
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I hope this helps you a little.
Warmest Regards.
George.
Musterseed:
Thanks so much, what lovely scriptures, I learn so much here. I used to have a lot of fear but God removed it from me by using fear itself to make me strong. Now I just say Thy will be done and know that no matter what happens, it is His will.
"So,we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God and God abides in him.(1John16)
So simple and beautiful. I never want to go back to the old self, I was so naive.
2 John... Introduction.... Only when you find agreement on sound doctrine will you find meaningful fellowship. Rhys and George, thank you both and May God Bless You. Pamela
Pini56:
Hello,
First of all We should have nothing to Fear because:
1. God Created Satin to be a Murderer;
2. God Created Satin to be a Liar;
3. God Created Satin to be The Deceiver;
4. God Created Satin to be The Tormentor:
5. God Created Satin to Manipulate;
6. God Created Satin to have Power over The Nations;
7.God Created Satin to have Authority in Certain Respects;
But in all of this he is under the Complete Control of our Heavenly Father.
Most of Christendom think that Satin is running Amuck; Hence the Fear.
Assuming that we know the Truth about this, we should have absolutely nothing to Fear. But:
Mat 10:28 And Fear not them which Kill the Body, but are not able to Kill the Soul: but rather Fear Him which is able to destroy both Soul and Body in Gehenna.
If we constantly Seek the Lord in everything we do and in our Hearts we want to do the Right Thing, keeping ourselves in Right Standing with Him, then there should be no Fear.
But be aware that Trials are sent to Test our Faith. Some of these Trials are very Severe. But if you are Tried this way you will Learn Ultimately to be Obedient and to Trust Him in all that you do. You then will have True Freedom. Fear the Lord ( Be In Awe Of Him) because he is the One that Saves you.
Love to you all, Regards Geoff.
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