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mongoose:
Snorky,
   I know it can be confusing and hurt when you are trying to explain what you have learned to someone and they don't get it and persist in beliefs you believe to be obviously wrong.  At those times, I think it's important for us to remember that they don't understand because they can't.  They don't know they are wrong and are incapable of seeing the truth.  Love them as they are, pray for them, and always remember...God will bring all to the truth and to Him, in His own time.

Peace and love

mongoose

jerreye:
Hi All,

I have read in this group that ALL MEN have received the Mark of the Beast.

When I compare the idea that "ALL MEN inherently have this mark of the beast" to the scriptures, I see a problem. Rev 14:9 states "IF ANY MAN RECEIVE the mark". It doesn't sound to me that we are born with this mark. It seems from the passage given that in order for one to posses this mark, he needs to willfully RECEIVE/TAKE it. And in order for that to happen, wouldn't it then have to be OFFERED to him? This subject of the "mark" has always confused me. I have yet to receive a complete answer to what it is exactly. Ray doesn't seem to have an answer either. He refuses to answer it when I ask him. (I often wonder why it is that Ray answers the same questions regarding TITHING hundreds of times, over and over again, but yet he won't give an answer to WHAT the mark of the beast is?)

Interesting topic.

ned:

--- Quote from: jerreye on August 28, 2006, 06:33:45 PM ---Hi All,

I have read in this group that ALL MEN have received the Mark of the Beast.

When I compare the idea that "ALL MEN inherently have this mark of the beast" to the scriptures, I see a problem. Rev 14:9 states "IF ANY MAN RECEIVE the mark". It doesn't sound to me that we are born with this mark. It seems from the passage given that in order for one to posses this mark, he needs to willfully RECEIVE/TAKE it. And in order for that to happen, wouldn't it then have to be OFFERED to him? This subject of the "mark" has always confused me. I have yet to receive a complete answer to what it is exactly. Ray doesn't seem to have an answer either. He refuses to answer it when I ask him. (I often wonder why it is that Ray answers the same questions regarding TITHING hundreds of times, over and over again, but yet he won't give an answer to WHAT the mark of the beast is?) Interesting topic.
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After reviewing this thread, I see what you are saying, Jerreye.  I believe what is being implied however (my original post is mistaken also), is not that all men have received the mark, but rather ALL MEN HAVE (RECEIVED) THE BEAST (WITHIN THEM BY NATURE).

This is what we need to overcome, the beast within us.
If we overcome, we will not receive (gk; "get hold of") the mark. If we worship the beast, and his image, we will receive his mark.

What actually is the mark?
Is it a physical mark? Spiritually speaking, I believe it "brands" us as being followers of the beast, the opposite of those who (spiritually) receive the white robes.  I don't think anyone sees the "mark" or wears the robe.  God knows.

I'd love some more spiritual insight into this if anyone has something more to share....
Otherwise, as Mongoose stated, we will await God's light to be shed on this subject.
Love,
Marie

discipleindeed:
Hello all,

I was thinking of the word mark and I wondered if it had anything to do with a name. Such as when we sign our mark. Our signature. This is how others know who we are in the world. We are all born with a name but we receive a new name when we are born again.

Phi 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phi 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phi 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Rev 2:17  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

This is our spiritual nature. We are first born as a beast (human nature) then as spirit (Christs nature).

Here are some scriptures I found that I am looking at to help me understand.

Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark (G5480), or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
Exo 32:16  And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Jer 17:1  The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;

Heb 8:10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

G5480
χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.

G5482
χάραξ
charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.

G5482
χάραξ
charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.

Love in Christ,
Aaron

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