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Antisocial Isolationist
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: largeli on March 16, 2017, 05:25:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on March 14, 2017, 10:39:25 PM ---Jesus was not an antisocial isolationist.
He attended a wedding where alcohol flowed freely due in a large part to Jesus creating several hundred gallons of fine wine.
Jesus attended dinner parties with the elite. Also he associated with prostitutes and other people low in the social order.
Jesus was not killed because he was antagonistic to the social order.
Jesus was killed because it was the will of God.
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Saying Jesus was killed because it was the will of God is a very simplistic way to put it. Of course Jesus was killed because it was the will of God. everything is because of God.
He was killed because it was the will of God. He was also killed because it was the will (or intention) of God that the leaders of the religious social order would hate Him and feel threatened by Him. Or do you think the religious leaders and the mob of people were operating as mindless drones with no emotion and no motive?
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I am very simplistic since I follow Jesus Who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Very simple.
There is no free will. Pilate, the High Priest, Judas, the Mob, even Satan did not exercise any free will in doing what they did. They all did what they were compelled to do by forces they did not control, and which they did not understand. Which is why they are all forgiven and will be brought to repentance and saved by the Great King and Savior and Almighty God, Jesus.
Dave in Tenn:
Forces that include "emotion and motive". These too were caused.
arion:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on March 16, 2017, 09:48:39 PM ---There is no free will. Pilate, the High Priest, Judas, the Mob, even Satan did not exercise any free will in doing what they did. They all did what they were compelled to do by forces they did not control, and which they did not understand. Which is why they are all forgiven and will be brought to repentance and saved by the Great King and Savior and Almighty God, Jesus.
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The plain gospel in a few sentences.
lareli:
Good stuff John.
Back to the generalizing of 'punk rock' music... isn't it true that in all walks of life and even in musical genres, there is 'good' and 'bad'?
I've often heard the Lord speak something to me through almost every genre of music. Country music for example is often songs about a common life experience many of us can relate to and appreciate. Some of it however, as my kid pointed out once, is all about "drinking alcohol and kissing!".
I like lots of punk-rock songs.. some can cause me to reflect on the ups and downs of life and can bring me to an attitude of appreciation for my life and struggles, and even forgiveness..
lareli:
This one in particular causes me to appreciate things that God showed me through the lives of several close friends whom I know that have died from drug overdoses.. several had babies on the way at the time of their death and so the last verse in particular usually causes me to tear up, in a good way, thinking about their lives and deaths and how God works everything for a good and holy purpose..
When the Angels Sing by Social Distortion
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UdZwS-SIXpE
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