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lareli:
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on June 04, 2017, 11:38:50 PM ---I wonder why if the Church teaches numerous truths of God, why someone cannot clearly state just one truth taught by the great false Church.
Just one truth. Why is that so hard? Put up or shut up.
Maybe I can help. Numerous times Ray taught the Church does not teach truth. One time someone quotes where Ray said the Church teaches numerous truths.
Seeming contradiction. But that is Satan's way. The twisted serpent loves contradictions. It sows doubts. Satan loves to weaken the faith of the Spiritual weak.
Let us consider one apparent truth that all branches of the false Church teach. That apparent truth is, "Jesus died for our sins". Christian simpletons believe that is a truth of God. But it is a lie of Satan.
For you see, they do not believe or teach that Jesus died. They teach that Jesus, along with all mankind, have an immortal soul. That Jesus' body died, but His immortal soul lived on and returned to God.
The immortal soul doctrine is a lie of Satan that he requires taught in his Church. As he taught Eve, "you shall not die". Because you have an immortal soul.
God's Truth is that Jesus actually died. Jesus had no immortal soul. Which is why the Father had to resurrect Him from the dead.
So you see, it may appear the false Church teaches truth. But upon closer examination, the Church teaches all lies. The Church's master, Satan, would never allow God's Truths to be taught.
God's Elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit it.
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indianabob:
Very well stated Arion. And that may be one of the reasons that we who are called (?) are being kept apart and not all part of a single congregation and instead a scattered group attached to the true vine. God know how best to inspire us and keep us from harm or from complacency of thought.
Indiana Bob
lareli:
--- Quote ---We need to parse Rays words more carefully.
Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not.
--- End quote ---
Dennis you said "we need to parse Rays words more carefully".... and then you finished your quote just before Ray said "However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter.." sounds like Ray was about to make himself perfectly clear on this matter.. so that there could be no misunderstanding or twisting of his teaching.. his teaching. Not his emails. His public teaching.
Let's read what he said he wanted to make perfectly clear..
"However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church."
Not once did I ever say that the "depths of God" are taught in the church so there is no disagreement there.
I'm not making this up. I'm not misunderstanding Rays public teaching. I'm not pulling up an old email. I'm not twisting Rays words. I'm not "teaching" anyone. All I'm doing is agreeing with Rays perfectly clear statement, whereas some of you do not agree with his perfectly clear statement.
That's all that is going on here. Someone is agreeing with Rays statement and others are disagreeing and demanding that the one agreeing with Rays statement prove Rays statement to be true! I won't. I'm not a teacher. It's not my job to discern for anyone else or to chew your meat for you.
I don't believe anything else needs to be said on my part.
Dave in Tenn:
From Dennis:
Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone.
This is the key. Some truth is mixed in. But those truths are not the doctrine being taught and NOT the "depths of God." - Those truths are used to deceive!
If you ask a church goer they will repeat a truth but only as part of the greater false doctrine.
And that's how "many truths of God are taught in the churches".
Might have been better if Ray had said "spoken" or "mentioned" in the churches. But let me ask this. If it weren't for the churches, would YOU have ever heard of any of this? Would you know what the serpent said to Eve? I wouldn't have. Not even if I had found a bible in a ditch.
The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is taught in the churches. The Sermon on the Mount is taught in the churches. Psalms and Proverbs are taught in the churches. There's a few "truths of God" taught in the churches. But if I went, I'd "walk out" after the scripture reading and before most of the hymns and certainly the preaching, because that's likely all the "truth" I was going to hear.
Porter:
Reading through this thread reminded me of something else Ray said that may or may not be of some help. So I'll just paste it here. Sorry it's a bit of a scroll lol.
Ray is showing the contrast of what they (theologians) claim to believe and teach verses what they actually believe and wouldn't teach. Like half truths but never the less all in vain. I wonder if this is what Ray meant when he said they teach numerous truths mixed with lies? I know it's hard to know for sure since Ray isn't here to tell us.
https://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
THEY SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE
Most all Christian theologians would claim to believe the first statement of Scriptural Truth that I present below, especially when I cite a Scripture verse with it, but they will then contradict and refuse to teach the second statement of Truth. Here are a few examples:
Do they believe the fire in I Cor.3:15 burns mans' works, but not the man himself? Yes.
But do they teach that this same fire in Rev.20:15 also burns works, not the man? No.
Do they believe that God is the Creator of ALL? Yes.
But do they teach that God created EVIL as He says in (Isa. 45:7)? No.
Do they believe that God is absolutely and totally sovereign (Eph. 1:11)? Yes.
But do they teach that God exercises sovereignty over man's supposed "free" will? No.
Do they believe that Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of the whole world (I Jn 4:14)? Yes.
But do they teach that Jesus Christ will SAVE the whole world? No.
Do they believe that presently Christ only has immortality (I Tim. 6:16)? Yes.
But do they teach the truth therefore that men's souls are mortal and not immortal? No.
Do they believe that the original manuscripts of God's Word were inerrant? Yes.
But do they teach us that the King James translation, which they say is "inerrant" has gone through THOUSANDS of error corrections since 1611? No.
Do they believe that the soul that sins shall DIE (Ezek. 18:4)? Yes.
But do they teach that souls of deceased sinners are actually DEAD? No.
Do they believe there are many cults today that need exposing? Yes.
But do they teach that Christendom, by its OWN definitions, is also a cult? No.
Do they believe that Sodom is "suffering the vengeance of eternal [aeonian] fire? Yes.
But do they teach that Sodom will be restored to their former estate (Ezek. 16:55)? No.
Do they believe in a future resurrection of dead people back to life (John 5:29)? Yes.
But do they teach that a resurrection is imperative for dead people to live again? No.
Do they believe the first half of I Cor. 15:22 that "For as in Adam ALL die?" Yes.
But do they teach the last half, "even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive?" No.
Do they believe that "...the end of the world [Gk: aion -- age]" ends in Mat. 24:3? Yes.
But do they teach that this same "aion -- age" in Matt. 25:41 & 46 will also end. No.
Do they believe that Jn 3:13 & Acts 2:34 are truthful Scripture (II Tim. 3:16)? Yes.
But do they teach this truth that "NO man," including David, has gone to heaven? No.
Do they believe ALL God purposed, spoke, and willed (Isa. 46:10-11), He will do? Yes.
But do they teach that God's "will" to save all, I Tim. 2:4, etc., will be done? No.
Do they believe that Satan lied when he told Eve, "thou shalt not surely die?" Yes.
But do they teach the truth that sinners really do DIE at death as God has stated? No.
Do they believe that the Apocryphal books do not belong in the Bible? Yes.
But do they teach us that the 1611 so-called "inerrant" King James Bible contained fourteen such books, including "Tobit," "Judith," "The idol Bel and the Dragon"? No.
Do they believe that Christ is totally responsibility for our salvation? Yes.
But do they teach that "no man can" come to Christ of himself (John 6:44)? No.
Do they believe that Satan is the greatest sinner of all? Yes.
But do they teach Jn. 8:44 which states that Satan "sinned from the beginning?" No.
Do they believe Christ really died for the sins of the world? Yes.
But do they teach that Jesus Christ was dead when they placed Him in the tomb? No.
Do they believe the many Scriptures that liken death to "sleep?" Yes.
But do they teach that dead people are unconscious, "sleeping" till resurrection? No.
Do they believe that the last enemy to be destroyed [Gk: abolished] is death? Yes.
But do they teach that ALL death, including the second death, will be abolished? No.
Do they believe that all things are possible with God (Mark 10:27)? Yes.
But do they teach that it is possible for God to save nonbelievers after they die? No.
Do they believe that every tongue in heaven and earth will confess Jesus as LORD? Yes.
But do they teach that the Holy Spirit inspires this sincere voluntary act (I Cor. 12:3)? No.
Do they believe that good and evil are both in the same tree of knowledge? Yes
But do they teach that good and evil both come from the same root source? No.
Do they believe that God absolutely "knows all" (I John 3:20)? Yes.
But do they teach that God knows in advance ALL who will reject Christ? No.
Do they believe that God's love will never fail (I Cor. 13:8)? Yes.
But do they teach that God's love will never fail in saving the world He loves? No.
Do they believe the apostles spoke in foreign languages in Acts 2:4-11? Yes.
But do they teach that of the hundreds of thousands who claim to speak in tongues today, not one of them can speak in multiple languages which they did not already study? No.
Do they believe that the masses did not understand Christ's parables (Mat. 13:13)? Yes.
But do they teach that Christ purposely didn't want them to understand, (Vs. 14-17)? No.
Do they believe the Old Covenant contained the Ten Commandments (Deut.4:12)? Yes.
But do they teach a New Covenant which contains a much higher law (Heb. 8:8-9)? No.
Do they believe that God created all the spirits and messengers of heaven? Yes.
But do they teach that God also created Satan who was always His adversary? No.
Do they believe that loving our enemies means doing good and not evil to them? Yes.
But do they teach that God will never subject His enemies to eternal torture and evil? No.
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