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lareli:
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This started with the assertion that the church teaches some truths. No they don't.
I have yet to hear one truth that the church teaches and I'm still waiting.
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I don't know if it makes any difference but the assertion was not that "the church teaches some truths" as you've worded it. I never once wrote that and that's not what Ray wrote. He said "there are numerous truths of God that are taught in the church" not just truths but truths of God. Not just one. Numerous. And he was right.... yes there are.
If you believe Rays statement is not true and you want to teach others that Ray was wrong... well it matters very little to me. Why should I care what another man believes.
From The Lake of Fire Part XI
Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not. However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church. But, therein lies the reason why there is much confusion and contradiction among the different denominations. Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone.
-L Ray Smith
John from Kentucky:
I wonder why if the Church teaches numerous truths of God, why someone cannot clearly state just one truth taught by the great false Church.
Just one truth. Why is that so hard? Put up or shut up.
Maybe I can help. Numerous times Ray taught the Church does not teach truth. One time someone quotes where Ray said the Church teaches numerous truths.
Seeming contradiction. But that is Satan's way. The twisted serpent loves contradictions. It sows doubts. Satan loves to weaken the faith of the Spiritual weak.
Let us consider one apparent truth that all branches of the false Church teach. That apparent truth is, "Jesus died for our sins". Christian simpletons believe that is a truth of God. But it is a lie of Satan.
For you see, they do not believe or teach that Jesus died. They teach that Jesus, along with all mankind, have an immortal soul. That Jesus' body died, but His immortal soul lived on and returned to God.
The immortal soul doctrine is a lie of Satan that he requires taught in his Church. As he taught Eve, "you shall not die". Because you have an immortal soul.
God's Truth is that Jesus actually died. Jesus had no immortal soul. Which is why the Father had to resurrect Him from the dead.
So you see, it may appear the false Church teaches truth. But upon closer examination, the Church teaches all lies. The Church's master, Satan, would never allow God's Truths to be taught.
God's Elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit it.
Dave in Tenn:
I'd put it this way, John:
That "Jesus died for our sins" is true. But when mixed with false theology, and darkened by misunderstanding or worse, it become a lie in the mouths of most christians. Not all, but most. Press many of them (and you won't even have to press hard) and they'll repeat the lie of the serpent.
As a side note, to translate that verse word for word works in a kind of colloquial way. "And the serpent says unto the woman, 'you do not die die'.
Reminds me of middle school when you LIKED somebody, but you didn't LIKE LIKE them. :D
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on June 04, 2017, 08:56:12 PM ---
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This started with the assertion that the church teaches some truths. No they don't.
I have yet to hear one truth that the church teaches and I'm still waiting.
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I don't know if it makes any difference but the assertion was not that "the church teaches some truths" as you've worded it. I never once wrote that and that's not what Ray wrote. He said "there are numerous truths of God that are taught in the church" not just truths but truths of God. Not just one. Numerous. And he was right.... yes there are.
If you believe Rays statement is not true and you want to teach others that Ray was wrong... well it matters very little to me. Why should I care what another man believes.
From The Lake of Fire Part XI
Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not. However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church. But, therein lies the reason why there is much confusion and contradiction among the different denominations. Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone.
-L Ray Smith
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We need to parse Rays words more carefully.
Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
So the "depths of God" are NOT taught in the church because they are 'revealed' by God's spirit.
Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone.
This is the key. Some truth is mixed in. But those truths are not the doctrine being taught and NOT the "depths of God." - Those truths are used to deceive!
If you ask a church goer they will repeat a truth but only as part of the greater false doctrine.
And we need to be careful when it comes to L. Ray Smith.
Even though he is easily the most inspired teacher in print or on the Internet (IMO), he was not perfect.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
It's up to every one of us to "prove all things."
One thing that separated Ray from other teachers is he publicly changed when God revealed the truth to him on a subject.
Most preachers would rather cut off their right arm than admit error because that would be admitting God did not inspire them in the first place.
arion:
So the "depths of God" are NOT taught in the church because they are 'revealed' by God's spirit.
Reminds me of this;
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Ray was certainly the instrument that God used to lead me to truth but Ray didn't teach me anything himself. I read some of his various articles many times until I 'got it'. It's God's spirit that leads us into the truth and keeps us there. I have not sought out another teacher since Ray died, I don't need another teacher. God is slowly teaching me many things that I can say that I learned from no man....and that is the way it's supposed to be.
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