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Who are the Real Hebrew Israelites today
Musterseed:
John
Thank you for directions to the piece of realestate I must buy that holds much treasure for me.
I will start digging tonight.😁 Thank you very much John. Pamela
octoberose:
I'll try not to stray too far from the subject:
I listened to the lecture from Ray that Dennis referred us to. The very last thing Ray says is that he had an idea when the 1000 years would be up. Does anyone know what he thought that was?
I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, but I wanted to put this verse out there because it's about the law and fulfillment :
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matthew 5 So since heaven and earth has not ended, the law has not been fully fulfilled .
To be honest with you (well, I always am) I'm struggling with Revelations. I always do, but lately it's a lot. Ray only got so far in his Revelation study and then it's confusing to me when he talks about 9/11 and how until that event he truly did not think there was any way to know how quickly the Kingdom would be coming. But after 9/11, and referring to those verses in Isaiah 30, he changed his mind. So, what else is there that we aren't seeing? I struggle with every number being just a symbol because can't a number ( like 1000) be a literal number? And the seventy weeks of Daniel and times and half a time, etc. Revelations is suppose to reveal His word to us , not cover it up. And also there's a lot of old testament prophecy that has not yet come to pass and it has to come to pass to fulfill all so shouldn't we study it?
Oh, and the two witnesses - that's so interesting it's brought up because I was reading about the two witnesses in Revelations and how they were dead and then rise again. What could that be about in Revelations if we understand the two witnesses to be two or three witnesses to the truth? Ray did not think these were people or spiritual beings, just biblical truths? But how does that fit? I don't understand it.
Dave in Tenn:
Octoberrose, here's the passage to which you referred.
Rev 11:3 and I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth;
Rev 11:4 (these are the two olive trees , and the two lamp-stands that before the God of the earth do stand);
Rev 11:5 and if any one may will to injure them, fire doth proceed out of their mouth, and doth devour their enemies, and if any one may will to injure them, thus it behoveth him to be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have authority to shut the heaven, that it may not rain rain in the days of their prophecy, and authority they have over the waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the land with every plague, as often as they may will.
Rev 11:7 `And when they may finish their testimony, the beast that is coming up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them,
Rev 11:8 and their dead bodies are upon the broad-place of the great city (that is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified,)
Rev 11:9 and they shall behold--they of the peoples, and tribes, and tongues, and nations--their dead bodies three days and a half, and their dead bodies they shall not suffer to be put into tombs,
Rev 11:10 and those dwelling upon the land shall rejoice over them, and shall make merry, and gifts they shall send to one another, because these--the two prophets--did torment those dwelling upon the land.'
I can't say I understand every symbol in even this passage...but it doesn't matter horribly, because it is the principle that counts. For evidence, notice 11:4 (which I put in parentheses) which also refers to the Two Witnesses in 11:3.
Follow on to the bolded verses. Do you understand them? I think you do, even if you think you don't. ;D You've lived these.
Rev 22:6 And he said to me, `These words are stedfast and true, and the Lord God of the holy prophets did send His messenger to shew to His servants the things that it behoveth to come quickly:
Rev 22:7 Lo, I come quickly (suddenly); happy is he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.'
Be encouraged, not perplexed. Almost everybody who has posted a "testimony" in this forum has "testified" to these things and has kept (to whatever degree and to whatever understanding) the "words of the prophecy of this scroll." Nobody will know they are or have, however, until they look back. Don't let theology (or eschatology) rob you of your own precious experience. Be happy.
John from Kentucky:
The Book of Revelation is not for the young. It is not literal, but symbolic. As Ray said, all the symbols are explained elsewhere in the Scriptures.
As for the two witnesses, they are not two literal men. The Lord of the whole earth would not allow two mere men to be His witnesses.
The two witnesses of Rev 11:3 are the two olive trees and two lamps stands of Rev 11:4, which are explained in Zechariah 4:3-6 and 4:11-14.
But, alas, the two olive trees and two lamp stands in Zechariah are also symbols. The meaning of olive oil is explained in other Scriptures.
But you do not have to go far because Zechariah 4:6 gives the answer,
"Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the LORD of hosts." Get it?
Or you can read Ray's truth #6 in his article "12 Truths to Understanding His Word" for a plainer explanation of the two witnesses, without all the symbolism.
Take Ray's explanation into the discussion of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3 and thereafter, and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, understanding will come as long as you do not take the symbols literally, and if God wants you to understand at this time.
Musterseed:
I studied about the two witness tonight. My understanding is that they are the two scriptures that must match, and match
Spiritually as a witness to God's truth. Christiandom will cherry pick only one scripture that will tickle your ears and and deceive you to think the scriptures are literal instead of spiritual. With that said " All is of God" . With the two witnesses, the modern day snakes don't have a leg to slither on
and they know it. Before I came to BT I thought the Bible was literal and I wore big fuzzy pajamas
to bed , even though I was going through menopause because I didn't want to be caught naked
when Jesus came 😂😂😂 my husband thought I was nuts ,for a long time, so did I. I did a lot of crazy stuff but going forward, I to thought the two witness were men but I read that the scripture
of Elijah and Moses returning was just a vision and not literal as the church would like you to believe. These modern day Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes , priests, theological parasites, TV evangelicals, pastors, etc are very evil and I am just beginning to see from reading the 911 papers and Tophet of old just how evil they are but I also know for sure that evil is framed by God, He runs the whole show, and everything is going according to plan, God's plan for the salvation of mankind .I think it was Awesomesaviour who said it was exciting or something like that to watch Our Fathers work. It reminded me of when Jesus was just
a young lad of 12 and told His mom and dad that I must be about my Fathers business. I thought,
well, He is still about His Fathers business and we have been give the honour to participate even though sometimes we don't want to. These are some scary times for sure and I really think about my kids and grandkids the most but I cannot help them, only God can do that.
I believe when Ray said there's not enough power in this world to take down BT. I truely believe
we are here to become more and more like Jesus every day, a little at a time and he's providing
everything we need and will until the resurrection of the Elect and the White Throne Judgement. It's all going to be wonderfully weaved together, I can't wait 😊 Dave is right about being happy.
Some days it's very difficult with that beast tagging along all the time but I know Jesus is in control of everything. This is only an observation but it seems that the turmoil of the world is happening quite quickly, but then my quickly is not God's quickly . If there is anything in my post that you think is incorrect please correct me. I feel very joyous tonight after reading the 12 truths I think I at least have one eye to see and one ear to hear. I have gone on to long but it's John's fault, he
was a tool for Jesus. I just called you a tool John and I know your not offended. 😜
Rom.15:3... May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony
with one another in accordance with Christ Jesus that together you may with one
Voice, Glorify the God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore welcome one
another as Christ has welcomed you from the Glory of God.
Rom.15:13.... May the God of Hope fill you with all JOY and PEACE in believing so that by the
power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in HOPE.
Praise the Lord, Praise His Holy name. Amen
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