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Which Scriptures have been the hardest for us to understand
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---Were not professional technicians asked to visit the gas chambers; and did they not conclude, that it was impossible for gas chambers to exist in these buildings - or for so many to be gassed to death, and buried, etc?
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--- Quote from: Joel on October 25, 2017, 09:54:00 AM ---George,
A lot has been said about the Jews that were killed in the death camps during the war, what are YOU saying in your statement in this post about the gassing that happened over there?
Joel
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Thank you Joel - Too many times when I see a very lengthy post I tend to skim instead of reading carefully.
And George - There are too many topics in this one post. One topic per post please. And I would also like to know what you mean by the above statement.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Thank you for sharing these enlightening Scriptures of His Truths; and we all know that His Words are Spirit, and they are Life - and all that that Love Him, must Worship Him in Spirit, and in Truth:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 25, 2017, 09:07:42 AM ---Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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I know that none of us have all the answers; and are all here to Worship Him by 'obeying His Word' in 'Spirit and in Truth'.
However, these posing questions remain in my heart and mind:
These real Jews, do they not have their being, in Earthen vessels of flesh?
Are they not, either 'the Natural Israelites', or 'the Gentiles grafted into the Natural Olive Tree'?
Has He not determined, to bring the Natural Israelites to jealousy, by 'grafting in the Gentiles'?
Has He not said 'that all Israel will be saved'?
Is 'all Israel' not both the 'Natural Olive Tree', and also the 'Wild Olive Tree grafted into the Natural Olive Tree'?
Will more and more Natural Israelites not be dragged to Him, in this Age of Grace, when 'The Time of The Gentiles' is over?
Is He not currently, restoring the original boundaries of all the Gentile Nations, one by one?
Will He not 'gather His People, from the four corners of the Earth', and 'return them to their promised Natural land'?
Is this gathering 'Spiritual', or will there be a 'Natural state for the True Israelites, on the Earth'?
Are not 'His Elect' gathered from both the True Israelites and the Gentiles; and will they not be 'The New Jerusalem', with 'Spiritual Bodies' Reigning with Christ, on 'the Natural Earth'?
Will not all the Natural Gentile Nations not go up to Jerusalem, to serve Him, to a Natural Land of the Israelites?
Do we not live in 'a Natural World'; and will this Natural World not continue, in the next Age, and the Age after that?
Will there be no 'Natural World', in the next Age; whereby 'He Will Rule the Nations with an Iron Rod, from His Holy Mountain, the New Jerusalem'; and are there not going to be 'Natural People, for Him to Rule over'?
Are we not instructed that 'the Sum of Thy Word, is Truth'; and does this not include both 'The Old Testament' and 'The New Testament' Scriptures'?
This is another set of verses, which Ray did not teach on, as far as I am aware - which I find very hard to understand; could it be, that hidden within these verses, are both the 'True Israelites', and those that perhaps, have taken their identity? Who knows?
Isaiah 28: 10-16 (KJV):
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward,
and be broken, and snared, and taken.
14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Warmest Regards.
George
cheekie3:
Joel -
Thank you for your question:
--- Quote from: Joel on October 25, 2017, 09:54:00 AM ---George,
A lot has been said about the Jews that were killed in the death camps during the war, what are YOU saying in your statement in this post about the gassing that happened over there?
Joel
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I have researched this, and experts have calculated how many were sopposed to be gassed and buried, over the time these camps were open, and concluded that, it is an impossibility that 6 million could have been killed, over that short period of time, within these small buildings with these small ovens, etc.
Also, the buildings could not keep the gas in, as they were not sealed - and had normal doors.
I know that this is not a subject to discuss on this Forum - and perhaps, we should all do our own research on this, and decide for ourselves, what is true, and what is not true - or at least, what is probable, and what is not possible.
Warmest Regards.
George
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 25, 2017, 10:22:22 AM ---Joel -
Thank you for your question:
--- Quote from: Joel on October 25, 2017, 09:54:00 AM ---George,
A lot has been said about the Jews that were killed in the death camps during the war, what are YOU saying in your statement in this post about the gassing that happened over there?
Joel
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I have researched this, and experts have calculated how many were sopposed to be gassed and buried, over the time these camps were open, and concluded that, it is an impossibility that 6 million could have been killed, over that short period of time, within these small buildings with these small ovens, etc.
Also, the buildings could not keep the gas in, as they were not sealed - and had normal doors.
I know that this is not a subject to discuss on this Forum - and perhaps, we should all do our own research on this, and decide for ourselves, what is true, and what is not true - or at least, what is probable, and what is not possible.
Warmest Regards.
George
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What a load of crap. Holocaust deniers are nut jobs. Who are these "experts"? I have found that people who give opinions instead of facts always fall back on "experts" to bolster their supposed truths.
Where are the millions of Jews in Europe before WWII if they did not die in the Nazi concentration camps?
On the other hand, forget my question. I do not want to hear more false opinions.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 25, 2017, 12:33:59 AM ---Hi George,
I believe that 2 Peter 3:16 is referring to the Jews such as Peter who had remained faithful to the old covenant who were the ones who found Paul's teaching hard to be understood. The 12 apostles remained in Jerusalem and continued teaching that Jesus was their prophesied Messiah while Paul taught the New and better covenant.
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Some would say that God is still pretty severe with those who call themselves Jews.
The German Holocaust being the most recent example along with historical examples in 1492 Spain
and other periods of purging and forced conversions to Catholicism.
Plus around the world today , nominal Christians are being slaughtered by the thousands.
Isn't God "letting" this happen?
I think "Western" Judaeo/Christian society is next as soon as God removes His protection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain
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I-Bob,
Your assertion that Peter followed the Old Covenant while Paul followed the New is the same false teaching you have stated in the past.
It is the same false teaching of the Concordance Publishing House, which Ray debunked in an article of his.
The Apostles did not teach different Gospels. The Old Covenant is done away. It is for spiritual children and is gone with the wind.
This thread is producing many false teachings, which it was meant to do. Slipping in false teachings with an abundance of words.
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